The burqua is kind of a symbol of oppression. Even if they are just wearing out of habit and no one is forcing them to, the whole dress stems from a system of oppression.
I don’t think I have a right to tell them to not wear it, just as much as their family/culture doesn’t have a right to force them to wear it, but let’s not pretend it’s just any other garment, it comes with a lot of baggage.
I think his point was even if they themselves converted to Islam and choose to wear the burqua completely on their own accord, it doesn’t stop it from being a symbol of oppression. IIRC there is nothing in the Quaran about being covered in this way, it’s purely about fascistic control from religious dictators and can’t be divorced from that fact.
Full disclosure, I am not a religious scholar and disdain all religions pretty equally (fuck Mormons in particular though)
One could argue that the blue-haired liberal feminists are also a product of their culture.
Just to be clear, I’m not disagreeing that Islam has some problematic views the same as any religion. But we shouldn’t strive to control women in order to free them from control.
I am with Grimy on this one; I feel the same level of creeped out when I see Pentecostal women in skirts as I do when I see women in burkas. There’s nothing inherently oppressive about skirts but when you see a group of people who are clearly part of a culture that uses them for oppression, whether that individuals oppressed or not, it’s impossible for me to not see it in a different context and be reminded of all the bullshit in the world.
And your assuming there’s absolutely no cultural or family pressure. What I’m assuming is much more likely, so stop assuming this person is some freedom loving feminist that wears the burka because she wants to.
I know we all look like women hating bigots from your high horse but you might actually be the one wrong her. In any case, it’s still a symbol of oppression that stems from a patriarchal system of oppression.
It’s like seeing someone wearing an Amazon T-shirt and assuming he’s an anarchist. Sure, everything is possible but it isn’t the likeliest assumption.
The burqua is kind of a symbol of oppression. Even if they are just wearing out of habit and no one is forcing them to, the whole dress stems from a system of oppression.
I don’t think I have a right to tell them to not wear it, just as much as their family/culture doesn’t have a right to force them to wear it, but let’s not pretend it’s just any other garment, it comes with a lot of baggage.
You also don’t know why these women are wearing it. You don’t know that their family is forcing them to wear it.
Assuming you know better is the problem here.
I think his point was even if they themselves converted to Islam and choose to wear the burqua completely on their own accord, it doesn’t stop it from being a symbol of oppression. IIRC there is nothing in the Quaran about being covered in this way, it’s purely about fascistic control from religious dictators and can’t be divorced from that fact.
Full disclosure, I am not a religious scholar and disdain all religions pretty equally (fuck Mormons in particular though)
Women are allowed to be religious if they want.
One could argue that the blue-haired liberal feminists are also a product of their culture.
Just to be clear, I’m not disagreeing that Islam has some problematic views the same as any religion. But we shouldn’t strive to control women in order to free them from control.
I am with Grimy on this one; I feel the same level of creeped out when I see Pentecostal women in skirts as I do when I see women in burkas. There’s nothing inherently oppressive about skirts but when you see a group of people who are clearly part of a culture that uses them for oppression, whether that individuals oppressed or not, it’s impossible for me to not see it in a different context and be reminded of all the bullshit in the world.
There are 2 women in this picture.
What does that have to do with what I said?
You’re judging 2 women who went to vote. Like you know everything about them and why they wear this.
I’m not judging anybody, did you even read what I said?
The line about seeing groups of people that are part of the same culture of oppression makes you uncomfortable.
At least in this picture, these women are exercising their right to vote and their right to wear what they want. That’s all we know about them.
And that isn’t an assumption? The hypocrisy is massive.
If oppression doesn’t make you uncomfortable then you’re on the wrong side of history.
And your assuming there’s absolutely no cultural or family pressure. What I’m assuming is much more likely, so stop assuming this person is some freedom loving feminist that wears the burka because she wants to.
I know we all look like women hating bigots from your high horse but you might actually be the one wrong her. In any case, it’s still a symbol of oppression that stems from a patriarchal system of oppression.
It’s like seeing someone wearing an Amazon T-shirt and assuming he’s an anarchist. Sure, everything is possible but it isn’t the likeliest assumption.
I’m not going to get into a debate about choice feminism with you on this topic.
These two women don’t owe you any explanation for why they dress this way.
Well then…shut up
You first.