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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 4 days ago

Trump told Ukraine it had no cards. Then Kyiv took the war to Russia

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Trump told Ukraine it had no cards. Then Kyiv took the war to Russia

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 4 days ago
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U.S. President Donald Trump told Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy last year that he had “no cards” in the fight against Russia. But since the meeting, Ukraine has shown it can take the war to Russia.
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    Russian army is very obviously using both types of Pantsir.

    They use what they have but they asked for a missile only version because it worked better. Again, if guns were more effective, a gun only version would have been requested. The opposite occured. I didn’t say a gun couldn’t work only that it wasn’t effective to the point that the Army requested the removal of the guns.

    then what is it costing Ukraine having no AD in aftermath

    That is completely irrelevant to the cost argument that you contested. Stay on topic.

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      It’s as if Russia army has enough of one type of system and wants more of a new variant. But here you are making leaps of logic based on that.

      That is completely irrelevant to the cost argument that you contested. Stay on topic.

      Excuse me, the destruction of infrastructure and logistics has no cost? Try to put at least a bit of effort into your trolling to make it less obvious.

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        Excuse me, the destruction of infrastructure and logistics has no cost?

        You argued that Ukraine spends more to attack than Russia spends to defend. That was proven wrong. That Russia is also losing infrastructure in the attacks is irrelevant to your original claim.

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          No, I argued that the economic cost for Ukraine is far worse than it is for Russia. And I also pointed out that your numbers are pulled out of your ass. I’m sorry you have poor reading comprehension and couldn’t understand my original claim. I’ll make sure to use small words going forward.

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            And I also pointed out that your numbers are pulled out of your ass.

            I linked to data. You provided nothing.

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              You did not link to any data that substantiates the claim you’re trying to make.

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                I linked Wikipedia with the reason given in the Wikipedia article.

                You made claims but didn’t provide anything.

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                  The wikipedia article does not substantiate your claim. But since google is blocked at the troll farm, I’ll happily provide some links to substantiate what I said.

                  • https://militarnyi.com/en/news/russians-developed-automated-zu-23-2-to-counter-ukrainian-drones/
                  • https://tass.com/defense/2136151
                  • https://tass.com/defense/2038373
                  • https://www.vietnam.vn/en/quan-su-the-gioi-hom-nay-3-6-nga-phat-trien-phien-ban-co-dong-he-thong-phao-zak-30-citadel
                  • https://defence-blog.com/russia-shows-off-counter-drone-cannon-with-programmable-shells/
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                    1. testing
                    2. developing
                    3. Pantsir Already disccussed that the army asked for a missile only version because of drones
                    4. Developing
                    5. Duplicate of 4.

                    You aren’t even reading what you are posting.

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        It’s as if Russia army has enough of one type of system and wants more of a new variant.

        As I already said, if guns were effective, they would ask for a variant that had only guns. They didn’t do that.

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          As I already said, if they have enough variants with guns, they would want to expand the new variants in addition to that. Evidently you’re still struggling with this concept. Sad.

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            if they have enough variants with guns

            Which they don’t. Which is why you insult because you know you are wrong.

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              I mean anybody can just state bullshit confidently, but there’s literally zero evidence that they don’t. You just made a claim up here and present it as fact.

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                Which is why I provided links. You provided nothing.

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                  The link doesn’t support your claim.

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