• OwOarchist@pawb.social
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    20 hours ago

    True, but I could also see an authoritarian “communist” government doing all the same surveillance bullshit.

    So, while it’s a capitalism problem this time, I don’t think it’s a capitalism-exclusive problem. It really is, at its root, an authoritarianism problem. This time, you’ve got capitalist authoritarianism, but next time maybe a different flavor.

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      16 hours ago

      You can’t get rid of authoritarianism the same way you can’t get rid of stupid. Some portion of the population will always be the bottom of the bell curve.

      What you can do, however, is redirect it into something positive. For example, Japanese social structures are pretty fuckin’ authoritarian. Most people wouldn’t even dream of littering.

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        14 hours ago

        You can’t get rid of authoritarianism the same way you can’t get rid of stupid.

        True, but you can get rid of hierarchical authority itself, leaving the authoritarians nothing to work with. Ask your local anarchist how.

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        2 hours ago

        I’ll tell you more, the UK is one of the leading countries in cameras per capita, either installed or accessible by the authorities (not sure about exact details). They built government surveillance without any communism in sight.

        (Leaving alone that China’s state capitalism is the opposite of communism.)

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          2 hours ago

          In 2023, China had over 700 million cameras tracking the population.

          That’s one camera for every two citizens.

          But yes the UK is also building a surveillance state.

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          16 hours ago

          How does that matter?

          Both are fucking horrible.

          But also, China does both. In 2023 they had over 700 million cameras tracking people.

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            4 hours ago

            State: communist.
            Private: capitalist.
            End result: authoritarianism.