Norwich City Council, in apparent solidarity with rough sleepers, are taking away armrests from public benches so that night sleepers can stretch out more. This is an endeavour to be more supportive of those reduced to turning public spaces into temporary dormitories.

For perhaps the last 20 years many local authorities and private property owners have been doing the exact opposite. Putting metal bolts on flat spaces so that they become impossible to sit on, let alone lie on. ‘Social dislodgement’ you might call it; architectural solutions to social problems. One of the canniest inventions was to turn bus shelter seats slightly tilted so that after a short time you began to slip off.

  • comrade_twisty@feddit.org
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    20
    ·
    2 days ago

    That particular example picture looks more like a protection against falling off the bench while sleeping than actually preventing it.

  • IcePee@lemmy.beru.co
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    15
    ·
    2 days ago

    The same incentive to dislodge the homeless is the same reason they put sub par cladding on Grenfell. To remove the unsightly poor through obfuscation. Don’t want the well heeled getting pangs of conscience.

    • AviAdi@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      10
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      2 days ago

      That’s my issue with hostile architecture. I live in los Angeles. The homeless here are struggling and need material help, but to many they are deemed like animals that need to be chased away. I regularly hear people talk about the homeless as if they are an inconvenience instead of people suffering. The lack of empathy is mind boggling. I’m only one guy, what can my dumbass do though?

    • FishFace@piefed.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      1 day ago

      What about the ordinary residents of Notting Hill? Should they have to be reminded every day of the fire and death? Should they have to risk bits of debris falling off? Should a building with no windows be left exposed to the weather? Just so that the well-heeled have to suffer the same reminder as the poors, it sounds like?

      The difference between hostile architecture and cladding Grenfell is that covering Grenfell serves practical purposes.

  • siravious@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    7
    ·
    1 day ago

    I’ll bet I could fit under that rail, and have a nice security strap to stop me from falling off at night too? Sign me up!

    • fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      35
      ·
      2 days ago

      To separate rough sleeping (sleeping outside) from homelessness (not having a home).

      Someone who has no official address, but is sleeping on the floor in a friend’s house temporarily is homeless but not rough sleeping.

      Someone who has a home and address, but isn’t able to go there for some reason (often escaping from domestic violence) may end up “sleeping rough” i.e. outside on a bench, in a tent or shop doorway.

      Many other variations/examples obviously, and plenty of cases of both together.

      Both situations need slightly different support.

    • protist@retrofed.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      2 days ago

      In the US we usually call it unsheltered homelessness, as opposed to sheltered homelessness (living in an emergency shelter or program)

  • jj4211@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    1 day ago

    That was one of the most odious tracking management UIs I have seen. Unless you want to accept everything, then you would have to invest quite a bit of effort in multiple tabs…

    Screw that.

  • OwOarchist@pawb.social
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    8
    arrow-down
    6
    ·
    2 days ago

    Fun fact: with some wrenches and/or an angle grinder, you can do this yourself, with no permission or authorization needed! Plus, you can even bring the metal scraps to a recycling yard and get paid for doing this public service!

    • plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      2 days ago

      Ah yes, turn the scrap in where you need to provide your ID to do so and they could easily track it back to you…

      If your country accepts scrap without IDs they’re helping the criminal industry and complicit.

      • OwOarchist@pawb.social
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        1 day ago

        I don’t know about your area, but where I am, scrap yards only require ID for non-ferrous metals. Iron and steel can be recycled without ID.

        So, I guess, maybe skip the scrapyard if the metal parts don’t stick to a magnet. Other than that, you’re good.

        • plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          21 hours ago

          It’s gonna be stainless steel, so non-ferrous, and they’ll still have you on video camera and have your license plate if you drove.

          It’s an incredibly stupid idea since the material is basically trackable.

          You mind as well just tell people to smack a cop with it.

          • OwOarchist@pawb.social
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            18 hours ago

            You mind as well just tell people to smack a cop with it.

            Well, I’m not against that idea…