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Avoiding US goods and services – from tech to whisky to air travel – has forced many to find a new way of living
This week the US imposed 50% tariffs on US$20bn (£15bn) of Canadian goods, and Mark Carney, the country’s prime minister, has vowed to match them “dollar for dollar” after the collapse of trade talks between the two countries last weekend. Donald Trump retaliated on Thursday by ordering the federal government to rename Lake Ontario to Lake America.
Such actions have added fuel to a widespread boycott of US products and services by Canadians that began early last year in response to the president’s trade war and threats to annex his northern neighbour.
More than 3,500 people from across Canada shared with the Guardian via an online callout how they have made changes to their lives in response to the US administration’s political and economic stance. Many expressed deep anger and sadness, but remained resolute that this was now a new way of living.
I find it very weird that trade between Canada and Europe is going through USA.
Isn’t it possible to have more efficient shipping route to Canada than USA?
It’s really not weird at all. It’s the same in EU. If I order something from another continent. Chances are pretty high it’s going to go through Germany before making its way up here to Sweden.
Canada is 40 million to the US 350. So it makes more sense to have things go through the country where your biggest market is, and have it distributed out from there.
Ofc I’m just speaking very broadly. There’s a difference if you import directly yourself, or if they’re going through a Canadian vendor
No in Europe most goes through Netherlands because it’s the best geographical placement. Especially for Germany that is the biggest market of a single country.
It doesn’t go to Norway which is further away, or Spain which is also further away. It is going the most practical route which is often through the Netherlands.
Seem to me that goods going between Canada and Europe going over USA is sending it on a detour, that makes the shipping route longer. Having it go over USA first is like having it go over Mexico, except less extreme.
It depends on what it is you’re buying and how it’s getting there. If I’m ordering something from China. I’m not gonna get it shipped. Because that will take ages. It’ll go on a transport plane. And every single time I’ve ordered things, they’ve been flown to Germany first.
Items being shipped between Europe and NA is not going on a detour to land in the US. Especially not if it’s imported by a vendor. The vendor will pick the cheapest option. And trucking through Canadian wilderness isn’t it.
The vast majority of long distance goods is moved by containers. Because it’s the most effective, not fastest, but effective way of travel.
Which is a big reason for warehouses existing, so you can buy your Chinese product. But it only needs to be send from a warehouse in Cologne, rather than as an individually shipped product from Shenzhen
Buddy. I don’t need you to try and guess how my items arrive. I already know this. It’s literally printed on the package.
It may be more effective to store it in a warehouse somewhere in cologne and use a vendor that sources it from there.
But from what I’ve seen, it’s cheaper to buy it from China directly, and have it “shipped” (flown) over. Which is why I do it.
Takes a few days extra. But you’ll pay less.
I don’t know, but what could be at play is the capacity of Montreal and Halifax (I don’t think there is a third port). And what these ports are set up to send/receive.
It depends on how exactly they’re doing it.
If the shipments are treated as “bonded shipments” in the US (meaning that they’re in the US only in transit to a final destination outside the US - which in this case is Canada), then they’re not considered as imported into the US and are instead treated as as imported directly into Canada, even though they travel to the US on their way to Canada. In this case it can make sense to import large consignments to, for example, a single port in the US by ship as one or more full shipping container loads and un-bundle it there into two parts, one that’s officially imported into the US and another which is a bonded shipment which travels by road to Canada and which is officially imported into Canada (so, for example, US-Canada tariffs have no bearing in that)
On the other hand, officially importing something into the US to then afterwards officially export from the US and importing into Canada wouldn’t really make sense IMHO because it would possibly pay Duty on entering the US and then again on entering Canada. I mean, maybe they did it like this because NAFTA meant there was no Duty from the US to Canada for such products, but as things stand now it’s a risky setup if not already a problem.
On eBay I bought my son a Pokemon game that was in HK. Consider me surprised when I had to pay duties for it to come from America to Canada. Paid an additional 15$. Why could it not ship direct to Canada? Lord knows.
It has to do with rail connections and port capacities. If stuff comes in by ports, even air freight, rail hubs in the Eastern US are more central.
Otherwise it has to come into the port of Montreal, inland ports beyond the Seaway don’t accommodate every ship size and are lower volume.
In Ontario, I believe it’ll be more likely for products to come into Canada through both Montreal and Eastern US ports. Whereas in Quebec it’s usually not the case. New York and Montreal are similar distances to Toronto by rail.
It’s probably something you have to consider via carriers.
The vast majority of canada’s population lives within 100km of the border, so if you already have logistics centres close-ish to the border, it may be cheaper to do so through your existing infra
But if the shipping is more efficient to Canada, shouldn’t it go to USA over Canada instead, using the same infrastructure to distribute it further?