• OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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    3 days ago

    She voted to give weapons to Israel, to redefine antisemitism to include antizionism, and to break a rail strike. Each of those is a significant red flag that, regardless of progressive posturing, she will submit to the wishes of the establishment when push comes to shove.

    The state of politics in the US is so bad that many progressives will immediately cling to and champion anyone who says progressive things, but talk is cheap. It’s fair to evaluate and judge politicians not just by their rhetoric, but whether they actually follow through with their promises.

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      15 hours ago

      Oh hey, it’s Objection, the bought and paid for Kremlin bot who doesn’t say a single thing in good faith and should not be taken seriously. Notice how they constantly link government funded tracts as if they’re sources. This person, if they are a person, has zero credibility.

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        14 hours ago

        Notice how they constantly link government funded tracts as if they’re sources.

        If someone claims something happened on the fediverse without providing a link, they’re lying.

        Yes yes, I know, I’ve engaged in wrongthink, therefore I’m a “Kremlin bot” and can be written out regardless of how much evidence I provide for the things I’m saying. Notice that I didn’t link any “government funded tracts” here, but the DSA’s own statements about this. Unless you’re implying that the DSA is also full of “Kremlin bots?”

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      3 days ago

      This take is so stupid. It’s clear online lefties have absolutely no idea about i/p except what they see from twitter and instagram. Yea, the state of us politics is so bad, I agree, that lefties are incapable of dealing with any reality outside of slop soundbites

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          2 days ago

          Like, take your outlandish headlines for example. The claims sound really damming at face value. But when you actually read up on it, reality starts to make more sense than these slop sound bytes. But, here we are

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                17 hours ago

                Do you intend to contribute anything to this conversation more substantial than, “That’s STOOOPID, you’re so STOOOPID, those headlines are STOOOPID,” because you have yet to provide a single word to actually explain why any of them would not be valid examples.

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                  17 hours ago

                  No, it takes twice as much energy to refute lies and stupidity. The iron dome bill is exclusively for defense weapons intended to intercept icbms etc, but that wouldnt matter to you because you probably would say something insane like “Israel doesn’t have a right to exist” or something to that extent. So we’re not having a conversation based in reality. You screeching “Israel doesn’t have a right to exist” isn’t going to make several million Jews pack up their bags and exit the Levant. So we’re back to living in the world of Twitter memes and slop sound bytes.

                  Now, I’m not saying I can predict how you’re going to move the goalposts. But I can infer where you stand

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                    17 hours ago

                    Ah, there’s your reason. You don’t care that she sent arms to Israel because you want arms to be sent to Israel.

                    See, now we can identify the point of disagreement, which is that I’m not a genocidal Zionist.

                    The iron dome bill is exclusively for defense weapons

                    The thing about defense is that once you have it locked down, you’re free to do whatever aggression you want because nobody will be able to retaliate. The possibility of reprisals is the only reason Israel hasn’t fired up gas chambers and furnaces.

                    By your logic, why don’t we just send Iran, Palestine, etc. the same kind of “defensive” weapons? It’s not like they’ll be able to hurt anyone with them. You can say “Iran doesn’t have the right to exist” or whatever but that’s not going to cause millions of Iranians to pack up and leave.

                    No, it takes twice as much energy to refute lies and stupidity.

                    So essentially you can just say whatever you want with nothing to back it up, gotcha.