What I find wild is that so many of them don’t really seem to grok how people, including their own flesh and blood, do not want to associate with them. They act like the other people are the ones being unreasonable: “it’s just politics, we can still get along”. Or, “what’s the big deal, it’s just donnie, do you have TDS or something?”
It’s only wild because Americans are a bunch of cowards who refuse to give them what they deserve. They’d get the picture pretty quickly once they started routinely being beaten within an inch of their lives.
I don’t think you understand how strong the police and military are here. No one would “get what they deserve” because they would be gunned down the moment they tried. The VERY FEW that succeed, like Luigi, didn’t last long. Seriously, try to think of one name, other than Luigi, that actually did what you suggest.
“The enemy is strong so we’ve preemptively surrendered.”
You outnumber the police and you’re armed to the teeth. “The US military would just crush the population” argument is not particularly convincing either. You assume the military is some perfectly unified, ruthlessly efficient machine, which doesn’t describe the US military in foreign wars, let alone a domestic one.
Even the shitty GOP is unwilling to tolerate prolonged ground wars, casualties, recruitment problems, political backlash, and occupations of populations that are actually hostile to it. Yet somehow we are supposed to believe that the same institution would suddenly function flawlessly whe turned against your own citizens? The assumption that everyone would simply follow orders indefinitely while Americans were being killed in huge numbers is absurd. There’s a reason you haven’t sent soldiers in to occupy Tehran.
Eventually they would run into a very simple problem- if armed resistance was genuinely widespread, half-measures would not settle it. It would either have to escalate to levels of violence sufficient to kill Americans on an enormous scale, potentially millions, or it would have to back down / simply stop functioning. You also have the fact that your military has never been more poorly managed than it is right now.
Yes, the US military has vastly more firepower than civilians. Congratulations. Nobody disputes that. The question is whether it could politically, institutionally, and psychologically use that firepower against its own population on the scale necessary to win such a conflict- and if it’s your position that your own military WOULD do that to you, then they are ALREADY your martial opponent, and if you AREN’T preparing to use force against them, you’ve already lost and will end up deserving whatever you get.
I’m not the same person you’ve been replying to, but I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. I’d just go one step further to suggest that a lot of people instinctively or subconsciously know this but aren’t willing to be one of the ones who dies or is maimed before it’s all over. Hell, if I were USian I’d probably feel that way, but the US populace has been so deeply fed a propaganda diet of individualism that they’re even more susceptible to that way of thinking.
They spent their entire lives thinking that they were the main characters and would be fine without ever having risk anything or sacrifice anything for the country they’ve loudly, belligerently, performatively shouted for decades is the best in the world at taking risks and making sacrifices for “freedom.”
What I find wild is that so many of them don’t really seem to grok how people, including their own flesh and blood, do not want to associate with them. They act like the other people are the ones being unreasonable: “it’s just politics, we can still get along”. Or, “what’s the big deal, it’s just donnie, do you have TDS or something?”
It’s only wild because Americans are a bunch of cowards who refuse to give them what they deserve. They’d get the picture pretty quickly once they started routinely being beaten within an inch of their lives.
I don’t think you understand how strong the police and military are here. No one would “get what they deserve” because they would be gunned down the moment they tried. The VERY FEW that succeed, like Luigi, didn’t last long. Seriously, try to think of one name, other than Luigi, that actually did what you suggest.
“The enemy is strong so we’ve preemptively surrendered.”
You outnumber the police and you’re armed to the teeth. “The US military would just crush the population” argument is not particularly convincing either. You assume the military is some perfectly unified, ruthlessly efficient machine, which doesn’t describe the US military in foreign wars, let alone a domestic one.
Even the shitty GOP is unwilling to tolerate prolonged ground wars, casualties, recruitment problems, political backlash, and occupations of populations that are actually hostile to it. Yet somehow we are supposed to believe that the same institution would suddenly function flawlessly whe turned against your own citizens? The assumption that everyone would simply follow orders indefinitely while Americans were being killed in huge numbers is absurd. There’s a reason you haven’t sent soldiers in to occupy Tehran.
Eventually they would run into a very simple problem- if armed resistance was genuinely widespread, half-measures would not settle it. It would either have to escalate to levels of violence sufficient to kill Americans on an enormous scale, potentially millions, or it would have to back down / simply stop functioning. You also have the fact that your military has never been more poorly managed than it is right now.
Yes, the US military has vastly more firepower than civilians. Congratulations. Nobody disputes that. The question is whether it could politically, institutionally, and psychologically use that firepower against its own population on the scale necessary to win such a conflict- and if it’s your position that your own military WOULD do that to you, then they are ALREADY your martial opponent, and if you AREN’T preparing to use force against them, you’ve already lost and will end up deserving whatever you get.
I’m not the same person you’ve been replying to, but I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. I’d just go one step further to suggest that a lot of people instinctively or subconsciously know this but aren’t willing to be one of the ones who dies or is maimed before it’s all over. Hell, if I were USian I’d probably feel that way, but the US populace has been so deeply fed a propaganda diet of individualism that they’re even more susceptible to that way of thinking.
“Cowardice” is another word for this.
They spent their entire lives thinking that they were the main characters and would be fine without ever having risk anything or sacrifice anything for the country they’ve loudly, belligerently, performatively shouted for decades is the best in the world at taking risks and making sacrifices for “freedom.”