Lemmy is never ever beating the misogynist allegations what the fuck is this dumpsterfire of a thread, she rejected him and the dude is just looking for excuses to take his anger out on her. That woman is a badass, all you people wanting her to just be still, demure and silent until the attacker leaves are the problem.
The guy is clearly a dangerous asshole with anger issues and his violent actions are completely reprehensible. He should be doing community service and taking therapy at a minimum, prison if she’s seriously injured (she appears to have hit her head on that bench at the end there - scary shit).
Everything below with a pinch of salt since we lack a lot of context - we don’t know what was said and what their relationship is (I’m not taking the social media post by the woman’s alleged friend at face value for now).
The man is definitely the one who deserves most of the blame in this interaction, but the woman is not innocent and I’m confused with people in this thread seemingly implying that she is.
She initiated the physical confrontation and never seems to try to deescalate. She may be a badass, but she also has bad judgement. I don’t want her to be still and demure, but I also don’t want people to think it’s a good idea to pick fights and prolong them.
She grabs his drink while he’s trying to bring it to his mouth - this starts the physical altercation and could be interpreted as an act of aggression (realistically the guy just had his anger flare up and decided to splash it in her face - this is not self defense and I’m not defending it; but is it an escalation? Hardly, I think).
She then escalates by trying to slap him (inadvisable) and he pushes her back (this legitimately looks like self defense and is the only action in this entire incident that seems somewhat justifiable).
He kicks her after she falls down - escalation, malicious, indefensible.
As he appears to attempt to disengage (grabbing his stuff and turning to leave) she gets up, grabs an empty bottle and confronts him, holding it like a weapon. I doubt he was actually fearing for his safety but what was she thinking? Here it would have been quite useful to have audio for context. That said, she doesn’t raise the bottle for an attack nor step closer to him, so he could still (and should have!) disengage from the encounter.
(One could argue she picked up the bottle to defend herself but I’m skeptical - why did she walk all the way over to him instead of waiting for him to leave, as he appears to be trying to do?)
Instead he goes ballistic and pushes her by the neck hard enough that she’s thrown backwards to the ground, hitting her head on the way down. This is a major unnecessary and indefensible escalation of violence and should really make him liable in court. He could have killed her for Christ’s sake!
Again, we don’t know what was said but my guess is she said something that angered him which triggered him into pushing her - absolutely reprehensible on his part if this is the case.
Lessons for everyone:
don’t be a raging asshole
don’t push people in urban settings - it’s much more dangerous than you think
don’t start fights with people, especially if there are no witnesses that could intervene when things get ugly
There’s always some garbage in any community. It looks like, overall, people are alright. Most of Lemmy I’ve interacted with are great people, but there obviously are horrible people here too. There’s no way to avoid it really. You can block/ban them, but they can always make new accounts somewhere.
Yeah it wasn’t like this when I made my comment glad to be shown somewhat wrong, there is some hope lemmitors might be able to beat the allegations eventually
Women are human beings and therefore capable of aggression.
I see a man defending her invasions of his space in close to the most non-violent way possible.
Hexbear is the most trans-inclusive and minority respectful internet community I’ve ever been to. I keep seeing people talking about it like it’s the gateway to hell but it’s usually a pretty friendly place when I’ve gone there, they just have… unorthodox politics and don’t back down when pressed. First time I went there I was a little disappointed to find it wasn’t full of demons gnawing on the bones of the innocent but was actually just a pretty chill place. And their news megathread has a lot people from 3rd world countries posting world news I don’t see other places which is mainly why I keep checking in there.
Yeah I go there regularly, I mostly like it. I’m just slightly miffed that I got banned from some comms here due to (I assume) some extremely mild comment (IIRC it was a single mod going over all the communities they managed banning me for “being a lib”). I couldn’t even find the “offending” comment, which was not a big surprise because I fucking despise neo liberalism and aren’t a fan of liberalism either.
I did comment in support of Ukraine once or twice in the timeframe of the bans, so… (and these were comments outside of .ml/hexbear) I’m not entirely sold on them. They have good shitposts and world news thread though, especially if you’re trying to get some informations from outside the Western sphere of influence
Lemmy is never ever beating the misogynist allegations what the fuck is this dumpsterfire of a thread, she rejected him and the dude is just looking for excuses to take his anger out on her. That woman is a badass, all you people wanting her to just be still, demure and silent until the attacker leaves are the problem.
The guy is clearly a dangerous asshole with anger issues and his violent actions are completely reprehensible. He should be doing community service and taking therapy at a minimum, prison if she’s seriously injured (she appears to have hit her head on that bench at the end there - scary shit).
Everything below with a pinch of salt since we lack a lot of context - we don’t know what was said and what their relationship is (I’m not taking the social media post by the woman’s alleged friend at face value for now).
The man is definitely the one who deserves most of the blame in this interaction, but the woman is not innocent and I’m confused with people in this thread seemingly implying that she is.
She initiated the physical confrontation and never seems to try to deescalate. She may be a badass, but she also has bad judgement. I don’t want her to be still and demure, but I also don’t want people to think it’s a good idea to pick fights and prolong them.
She grabs his drink while he’s trying to bring it to his mouth - this starts the physical altercation and could be interpreted as an act of aggression (realistically the guy just had his anger flare up and decided to splash it in her face - this is not self defense and I’m not defending it; but is it an escalation? Hardly, I think).
She then escalates by trying to slap him (inadvisable) and he pushes her back (this legitimately looks like self defense and is the only action in this entire incident that seems somewhat justifiable).
He kicks her after she falls down - escalation, malicious, indefensible.
As he appears to attempt to disengage (grabbing his stuff and turning to leave) she gets up, grabs an empty bottle and confronts him, holding it like a weapon. I doubt he was actually fearing for his safety but what was she thinking? Here it would have been quite useful to have audio for context. That said, she doesn’t raise the bottle for an attack nor step closer to him, so he could still (and should have!) disengage from the encounter.
(One could argue she picked up the bottle to defend herself but I’m skeptical - why did she walk all the way over to him instead of waiting for him to leave, as he appears to be trying to do?)
Instead he goes ballistic and pushes her by the neck hard enough that she’s thrown backwards to the ground, hitting her head on the way down. This is a major unnecessary and indefensible escalation of violence and should really make him liable in court. He could have killed her for Christ’s sake!
Again, we don’t know what was said but my guess is she said something that angered him which triggered him into pushing her - absolutely reprehensible on his part if this is the case.
Lessons for everyone:
100% agree.
I see two triggers that might have caused this either he was rejected like you said or he reached a boiling point from her provoking him.
Either way it doesn’t excuse his behavior in any way. He attacked her. I hope he is arrested and prosecuted.
The picture in the post clarifies that she rejected him
Where do you get this from?
Don’t assume a noisy few are the majority.
That guy is a peice of shit.
There’s always some garbage in any community. It looks like, overall, people are alright. Most of Lemmy I’ve interacted with are great people, but there obviously are horrible people here too. There’s no way to avoid it really. You can block/ban them, but they can always make new accounts somewhere.
Yeah it wasn’t like this when I made my comment glad to be shown somewhat wrong, there is some hope lemmitors might be able to beat the allegations eventually
lemmy.world is the biggest cesspool here, lemmy.ml and hexbear are much better on the whole “women are human beings” front
Women are human beings and therefore capable of aggression. I see a man defending her invasions of his space in close to the most non-violent way possible.
I would love to enact his form of nonviolence on you
I’m not convinced hexbear is good on any front.
Hexbear is the most trans-inclusive and minority respectful internet community I’ve ever been to. I keep seeing people talking about it like it’s the gateway to hell but it’s usually a pretty friendly place when I’ve gone there, they just have… unorthodox politics and don’t back down when pressed. First time I went there I was a little disappointed to find it wasn’t full of demons gnawing on the bones of the innocent but was actually just a pretty chill place. And their news megathread has a lot people from 3rd world countries posting world news I don’t see other places which is mainly why I keep checking in there.
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Yeah I go there regularly, I mostly like it. I’m just slightly miffed that I got banned from some comms here due to (I assume) some extremely mild comment (IIRC it was a single mod going over all the communities they managed banning me for “being a lib”). I couldn’t even find the “offending” comment, which was not a big surprise because I fucking despise neo liberalism and aren’t a fan of liberalism either.
I did comment in support of Ukraine once or twice in the timeframe of the bans, so… (and these were comments outside of .ml/hexbear) I’m not entirely sold on them. They have good shitposts and world news thread though, especially if you’re trying to get some informations from outside the Western sphere of influence
🤷♀️ if you hate women you’d probably say that, they probably have the highest numbers of women as a percentage of active users
That matches what I’m seeing to mostly