• Verdant Banana@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    5
    arrow-down
    66
    ·
    edit-2
    8 months ago

    Roe v. Wade fell during Biden’s presidency and the most he did was an executive order for women’s health research

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/03/18/fact-sheet-president-biden-issues-executive-order-and-announces-new-actions-to-advance-womens-health-research-and-innovation/

    how are you going to advance something that is now not here

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade

    The Catholic Church condemned the ruling by the Supreme Court.[141] Blackmun wrote in his diary, “Abortion flak—3 Cardinals—Vatican—Rochester wires!”[141]

    John Cardinal Krol, the archbishop of Philadelphia who was also the president of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops and Terence Cardinal Cooke, the archbishop of New York, both issued statements condemning the ruling.[175] Krol called the ruling “an unspeakable tragedy for this nation” that “sets in motion developments which are terrifying to contemplate.”[175] Cooke called the decision a “horrifying action” and added:[175]

    How many millions of children prior to their birth will never live to see the light of today because of the shocking action of the majority of the United States Supreme Court today?[175]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden#

    Biden is a moderate Democrat[549] who says his positions are deeply influenced by Catholic social teaching.

    how do the Republicans differ on abortion again?

      • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        17
        ·
        8 months ago

        Don’t apologize for Biden. He could have tried to pack the court, he could be given weekly speeches denouncing their decision, he has the IRS and FBI could have made Thomas’ and Alito’s life a living hell with daily announcements of fresh bribery charges, he could pick a fight with the Catholic Church pointing out that it is a foreign power influencing the US government. Instead he went gently into that good night.

        Now will I vote for him? Yes because the alternative is worse. Can I support him? Not for a second.

        • ABCDE@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          24
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          8 months ago

          Which is… Where exactly?

          Your shitty edit does not say that.

            • money_loo@1337lemmy.com
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              27
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              8 months ago

              During Thursday’s speech, Biden deviated from his prepared remarks, skipping over the word “abortion” and instead using the phrases “reproductive freedom” or “freedom to choose.”

              Yes, he is catholic. Yes, most Catholics disagree with abortion. No, Biden doesn’t think his religious beliefs should dictate how women live their lives. He literally says it plain as day for even the very stupid among us to understand. Good luck!

              https://apnews.com/article/abortion-biden-2024-reproductive-rights-harris-494af752992ba88fa6e3d53fbd54f716

            • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              19
              ·
              edit-2
              8 months ago

              This seems extremely deceptive, possibly deliberately so. Being influenced by catholic teachings does not mean you agree with everything they believe. Even someone who rejects every single moral teaching of the church could still be influenced by them in some ways.

              In this case, we don’t need to speculate from some vague statement about the church because Biden has explicitly stated he supported roe v wade, has appointed judges that have pursued this pro-choice ideology, and has even stated that he would sign a bill to reinstate the previous protections for women. Such a bill was put forth in congress but was blocked in the senate. He does not have any direct control over this issue, so it’s hard for me to see what else he even could have done.

              It comes off as very intellectually dishonest to ignore all that and claim he’s “clearly on the record saying he supports the abortion ban” then point to something he didn’t even say and is only tangentially related.

              PS: There are tons of legitimate criticisms of Biden so it’s especially strange to invent ones that are so far from the truth.

              • Verdant Banana@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                18
                ·
                8 months ago

                Biden being for women’s rights would have been a drastic out of common place executive order restoring women’s rights instead of one advancing research into a field that requires Roe versus Wade

                • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  10
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  8 months ago

                  Executive orders can only interpret and change the execution of federal law. They can’t invent new ones. If there were a federal abortion ban in place, Biden could decline to enforce it, though this would not change the actual law and would likely be challenged in court.

                  The abortion bans are all by state governments which Biden has no authority over. Read up on federalism and the way the US government works. It sounds like some of your frustration stems from a lack of political knowledge. The presidency is not a dictatorship and we do not want it to be. If Biden could restore reproductive rights unilaterally then a republican could also remove them unilaterally, which would be even worse than the current situation.

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          15
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          8 months ago

          The president is not a dictator. It doesn’t work like that.

          Also, do you really think presidents should just be able to change the size of SCOTUS whenever they want to? What if Trump gets in and decides to shrink it to only the conservatives?

          • Sybil@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            9
            ·
            8 months ago

            he can nominate 100 people today and make the Senate turn down every one

                • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  6
                  ·
                  8 months ago

                  I know enough about our legislature to know that they would not approve 100 SCOTUS justices. I’m not sure why you think they would allow any president to do that unless they were a rubber stamp legislature, which they are not.

                  • Sybil@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    arrow-down
                    5
                    ·
                    8 months ago

                    they don’t need to approve 100 but letting 6 or 7 through is possible

      • Verdant Banana@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        18
        ·
        8 months ago

        Wikipedia is now a prime example of misinformation and propaganda?

        of course he would skip over saying that

        he said he is deeply devoted to Catholicism on record right there on his and the Catholic’s Wikipedia page

        how else could one look at those facts?

        • HarkMahlberg@kbin.social
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          8 months ago

          These aren’t facts. You’re laundering a broken dog whistle through a couple Wikipedia links. Crawl back into your cave you troglodyte.