• CannonFodder@lemmy.world
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    21 hours ago

    Not saying he isn’t a douche, but I do wonder with this and reports pre 9/11 to W, how many such warnings do they get regularly? If they get a bunch, it’s not really fair to go back and cherry pick the ones that happened to play out. I know in both cases there’s weird looking stuff where resources were moved away just before - but once again, how often do such shifts happen normally? Are we just picking stuff out of the noise? I really don’t know, and I doubt anyone here does.

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      14 hours ago

      A handful of the Israeli soldiers who were on duty protecting the wall have been saying for over a year that they got conflicting orders that morning, how they were told to stand down, and of course it all then unfolded as it did.

      Some of the soldiers were haunted by this and spoke out; I saw an interview involving one of those soldiers (in Hebrew, subbed in English) and it was undeniably real, just going by this guy struggling to get through talking about it. If I can find a link for it I’ll post it.

      But no, this wasn’t just any regular morning. They do get regular breach warnings on the wall, but they have a protocol for that, which is one of the things these soldiers explained in the interview. They get a barrier notification or some other indication of breach, they notify their immediate superior, and that person kicks it up the chain while they go out to take a physical look at it. In this particular case, these soldiers were directly ordered not to go out before any notification was received. In his own words, he was serving in the Gaza area, and did not hesitate to respond to ANY sign that there was a breach. “For every little thing we’d jump the fence, every little thing.”

      But that morning they got the order not to do so. About an hour after this order was passed down is when the killing started. This is why he is haunted. He genuinely feels like they could have stopped it, or at least slowed it down, and were prevented from doing so. He also personally lost a leg that day, and many of his friends.

      EDITED TO ADD: I looked in my history and found the article. It’s not just an interview but has footage of the soldier testifying before the Knesset, Israel’s congress. The video is on X embedded in the article, and it includes the audio recording of the orders his unit were given that morning to stand down an hour BEFORE any breach notifications were received.

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        13 hours ago

        Geesh. Did the Knesset follow up on where the orders came from? I guess they won’t report that publicly tho.

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          13 hours ago

          I’m sure they tried, and there has been a slow but steady drip of confirming information all along, like the headline today, confirming what many already know but just haven’t been able to prove yet.

          But given as the order verifiably came from within the soldier’s command structure, and it took a couple of years just for the audio of it to leak, I am certain all those responsible are doing everything they can to obfuscate and deny.

          TL;DR: It’ll come out, just like the Epstein shit here in the US, but it’s being similarly fought and blocked and misdirected and covered up every step of the way.