• Skua@kbin.earth
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    12
    ·
    13 days ago

    Which attempts have been similar to the EU, and not just conquests? The closest I can think of is maybe the Habsburg dynasty, and I think we can agree that that had its own unique issues going on

    • deHaga@feddit.uk
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      7
      ·
      13 days ago

      Napoleon is the closest. A lot of the legal, judicial, and administrative civil code remains today.

      • Skua@kbin.earth
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        20
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        13 days ago

        In what fucking world was Napoleon’s attempt not a series of conquests?

              • Skua@kbin.earth
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                0
                ·
                12 days ago

                That’s an interesting comparison I hadn’t considered, but isn’t it more like the current EU than the hypothetical federalised EU under discussion?

                • CAVOK@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  12 days ago

                  Probably yes, but I don’t know enough about the Hansa to weigh in. But from what I can remember conquest wasn’t a part of it. It was a trade and defense arrangement that you joined voluntarily.

            • deHaga@feddit.uk
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              8
              ·
              12 days ago

              There has. The European Communities and the EEC. Neither were attempts to create a federation like US, China or Russia…

              • Skua@kbin.earth
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                13
                ·
                12 days ago

                Mate the EEC was one of the European Communities, and it ended because it became part of the EU. That’s not a separate attempt. That’s the same one.

                • deHaga@feddit.uk
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  arrow-down
                  10
                  ·
                  12 days ago

                  Lol no. The treaties of Maastricht, Nice and Lisbon turned a trade bloc into a political one.

                  That’s centralising power, and it always fails.