Yep. Armed and uniformed soldiers crossed a border between them and a state they are currently at war with. That is an invasion. A particularly shitty one, but what else do you expect, it’s north korea, they’ve been incompetent since day one. Even during the korean war they needed the Chinese to do the heavy lifting.
If you don’t think that is an attack, then the US has never attacked anyone. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Korean, Iraq again, whatever. Those armed and uniformed US soldiers probably just got lost on the way to the bathroom. Ya know, you’re at a party at a new house, you’ve had some drinks, it’s two doors over and to the right, but you turn left and accidentally topple a socialist government lol. Just a warning shot. S’all good.
Edit: actually, the sheer incompetence explains why NK thought working with Russia to fight in Ukraine would teach them some good invasion lessons.
Idiot! Read your own fucking article! South Korea was the only one that even fired shots!
You really just compared Vietnam, a full scale, years-long invasion and occupation, complete with a bombing campaign and chemical weapons, to someone walking into the DMZ and then leaving, without harming a single person. That’s the single dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Calling that an “invasion” somehow manages to be even more delusional than the right calling immigration an “invasion,” because at least then there are multiple people, who don’t just immediately leave.
Are you trolling? Is this a joke to you? It’s not gonna be a joke when the fascists put us both in camps.
Why do I even bother? This country is doomed by it’s own stupidity, it’s own chauvanism and arrogance, and you are the perfect example of all of those traits, exactly the reason why we’re so fucked. Maybe it’s better to do it your way, where the whole fucking thing will collapse, and the world will be thrown into total chaos. Maybe we just deserve this. Humanity has survived the fall of empires in the past, so no matter how destructive you make this one’s fall, perhaps we will even survive the complete and utter idiocy of people like you.
I just can’t understand why you want to do this the hard way and ensure we live through one of the most chaotic and unstable periods of human history, for no fucking reason, when we could just, not. If people like you would simply pull your heads out of your asses and look around.
NK could just…stop sending raiding parties to SK and focus on resilience. After a decade of no border incidents, SK would probably get sick of the US and kick them out. The US could also stop fucking about in the ME, if only we had solar panels instead of oil derricks. We’ll have slar panels soon enough.
But we both know that the above is just dumbass wishful thinking, because the ruling class of every country is psychopathic. Kim doesn’t give a fuck, Xi gives few fucks, trump gives no fucks, Putin gives no fucks, that’s what leadership and hierarchy is. Identifying the person who truly has the fewest fucks to give when it comes to others.
But we both know that the above is just dumbass wishful thinking, because the ruling class of every country is psychopathic. Kim doesn’t give a fuck, Xi gives few fucks, trump gives no fucks, Putin gives no fucks, that’s what leadership and hierarchy is. Identifying the person who truly has the fewest fucks to give when it comes to others.
So then who the fuck gives a shit whether one country’s ruling class controls a region or another country’s ruling class does? This whole argument has been about you saying that you want to prioritize the interests of the US ruling class and expand their empire, instead of actually doing something that would actually benefit people’s lives!
This is so dumb. You realize that the ruling class doesn’t give a shit but you don’t care, you’re fully on board with advancing their interests because, why? Because you just hate the people they told you to hate?
If the ruling class of North Korea and South Korea are both bad, then why the fuck do you want us to keep going bankrupt from medical debt, just so that one shitty ruling class can control a piece of land thousands of miles away instead some other country’s shitty ruling class? It makes no goddamn sense!
This whole argument has been about you saying that you want to prioritize the interests of the US ruling class and expand their empire, instead of actually doing something that would actually benefit people’s lives!
Um. No?
What would really benefit people’s lives is getting rid of the entire concept of states and hierarchies.
This “argument” started with me pointing out that many tankies over in .ml land would rather establish NK/USSR/Chinese style authoritarianism. You can go back to the beginning of the thread and check that if you want. You seemed to take offense at that, and began singing the praises of NK. That’s about the time I stopped taking you seriously.
Edit: I am incorrect. I do not wish to put words in your mouth. I believe you argued for less US dominance, in which case we are left with a multipolar world, with great powers fighting for dominance. The US is now one of those great powers.
Edit: I am incorrect. I do not wish to put words in your mouth.
Honestly, I’m impressed. Correction accepted.
I believe you argued for less US dominance, in which case we are left with a multipolar world, with great powers fighting for dominance. The US is now one of those great powers.
Yes. That is the most practical and realistic pathway towards reducing the scope of existing heirarchies. Saying that you want to abolish the state is meaningless, unless you plan on winning a war against the most powerful military (or militaries) on the planet. After justifying their funding, strangely enough.
When one country is global hegemon, then it has undisputed, centralized power and everyone has to do what it says or face severe consequences. In a multipolar world, smaller countries have more freedom to choose who they do deal with. Therefore, the heirarchies are weaker.
Regardless of whether you want a multipolar world or not, it’s the direction we’re headed. The only real alternative is the accelerationist path where the US overextends itself and collapses altogether. I am not an accelerationist.
Not necessarily. To go back to my example with China: they were unable to compete with the US in the military sense. They probably can now, but we don’t know that for sure.
So China began to compete in the economic and political sense. Manufacturing development, BRI, etc. there didn’t need to be conflict to collapse the hegemony.
In a multipolar world, we have the NK situation but on a global scale. With no undisputed champion, lots of people begin disputes. Which means wars. More military spending as a fraction of the global economy, as countries fight for dominance, instead of figuring out ways to economically outcompete each other.
Eh, if I knew how to do that, I would be a household name worldwide, not shitposting on Lemmy.
That being said, I think the most likely course of action to prevent conflict is to make individual people uninterested in conflict. Most people already aren’t. Soldiers need to specifically be trained to kill, because that’s not something the majority of people want to do.
If the general says “fight!” And the foot soldier says “no, I think I’d like a nap”, does the war happen?
Correct, you are right. I apologize for that, I was editing my earlier comment to account for my mistake as you responded. Please accept my retraction of that false accusation.
Yep. Armed and uniformed soldiers crossed a border between them and a state they are currently at war with. That is an invasion. A particularly shitty one, but what else do you expect, it’s north korea, they’ve been incompetent since day one. Even during the korean war they needed the Chinese to do the heavy lifting.
If you don’t think that is an attack, then the US has never attacked anyone. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Korean, Iraq again, whatever. Those armed and uniformed US soldiers probably just got lost on the way to the bathroom. Ya know, you’re at a party at a new house, you’ve had some drinks, it’s two doors over and to the right, but you turn left and accidentally topple a socialist government lol. Just a warning shot. S’all good.
Edit: actually, the sheer incompetence explains why NK thought working with Russia to fight in Ukraine would teach them some good invasion lessons.
Idiot! Read your own fucking article! South Korea was the only one that even fired shots!
You really just compared Vietnam, a full scale, years-long invasion and occupation, complete with a bombing campaign and chemical weapons, to someone walking into the DMZ and then leaving, without harming a single person. That’s the single dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Calling that an “invasion” somehow manages to be even more delusional than the right calling immigration an “invasion,” because at least then there are multiple people, who don’t just immediately leave.
Are you trolling? Is this a joke to you? It’s not gonna be a joke when the fascists put us both in camps.
No, it is not a joke. Armed, uniformed, active duty military crossing a border is invasion. Even if they “just got lost”.
I will admit, though, north korea isn’t stupid. When faced with strategic superiority, the tactically correct decision is probing skirmishes (see above) and suicide attacks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Gangneung_submarine_infiltration_incident).
The strategically correct response is containment with overwhelming firepower. That’s where NK is now. Sucks for them.
You’re gonna get us all killed. Idiot.
None of that shit matters at all.
Matters to statists.
It’s not a real threat. Fascists are.
If you were the state representative of SK, then your opinion might matter.
Why do I even bother? This country is doomed by it’s own stupidity, it’s own chauvanism and arrogance, and you are the perfect example of all of those traits, exactly the reason why we’re so fucked. Maybe it’s better to do it your way, where the whole fucking thing will collapse, and the world will be thrown into total chaos. Maybe we just deserve this. Humanity has survived the fall of empires in the past, so no matter how destructive you make this one’s fall, perhaps we will even survive the complete and utter idiocy of people like you.
I just can’t understand why you want to do this the hard way and ensure we live through one of the most chaotic and unstable periods of human history, for no fucking reason, when we could just, not. If people like you would simply pull your heads out of your asses and look around.
You are right. We could just Not.
NK could just…stop sending raiding parties to SK and focus on resilience. After a decade of no border incidents, SK would probably get sick of the US and kick them out. The US could also stop fucking about in the ME, if only we had solar panels instead of oil derricks. We’ll have slar panels soon enough.
But we both know that the above is just dumbass wishful thinking, because the ruling class of every country is psychopathic. Kim doesn’t give a fuck, Xi gives few fucks, trump gives no fucks, Putin gives no fucks, that’s what leadership and hierarchy is. Identifying the person who truly has the fewest fucks to give when it comes to others.
So then who the fuck gives a shit whether one country’s ruling class controls a region or another country’s ruling class does? This whole argument has been about you saying that you want to prioritize the interests of the US ruling class and expand their empire, instead of actually doing something that would actually benefit people’s lives!
This is so dumb. You realize that the ruling class doesn’t give a shit but you don’t care, you’re fully on board with advancing their interests because, why? Because you just hate the people they told you to hate?
If the ruling class of North Korea and South Korea are both bad, then why the fuck do you want us to keep going bankrupt from medical debt, just so that one shitty ruling class can control a piece of land thousands of miles away instead some other country’s shitty ruling class? It makes no goddamn sense!
Um. No?
What would really benefit people’s lives is getting rid of the entire concept of states and hierarchies.
This “argument” started with me pointing out that many tankies over in .ml land would rather establish NK/USSR/Chinese style authoritarianism. You can go back to the beginning of the thread and check that if you want.
You seemed to take offense at that, and began singing the praises of NK. That’s about the time I stopped taking you seriously.Edit: I am incorrect. I do not wish to put words in your mouth. I believe you argued for less US dominance, in which case we are left with a multipolar world, with great powers fighting for dominance. The US is now one of those great powers.
Honestly, I’m impressed. Correction accepted.
Yes. That is the most practical and realistic pathway towards reducing the scope of existing heirarchies. Saying that you want to abolish the state is meaningless, unless you plan on winning a war against the most powerful military (or militaries) on the planet. After justifying their funding, strangely enough.
When one country is global hegemon, then it has undisputed, centralized power and everyone has to do what it says or face severe consequences. In a multipolar world, smaller countries have more freedom to choose who they do deal with. Therefore, the heirarchies are weaker.
Regardless of whether you want a multipolar world or not, it’s the direction we’re headed. The only real alternative is the accelerationist path where the US overextends itself and collapses altogether. I am not an accelerationist.
Not necessarily. To go back to my example with China: they were unable to compete with the US in the military sense. They probably can now, but we don’t know that for sure.
So China began to compete in the economic and political sense. Manufacturing development, BRI, etc. there didn’t need to be conflict to collapse the hegemony.
In a multipolar world, we have the NK situation but on a global scale. With no undisputed champion, lots of people begin disputes. Which means wars. More military spending as a fraction of the global economy, as countries fight for dominance, instead of figuring out ways to economically outcompete each other.
Maybe you should just spell out how, exactly, you plan to “abolish states” without conflict arising in the process.
Eh, if I knew how to do that, I would be a household name worldwide, not shitposting on Lemmy.
That being said, I think the most likely course of action to prevent conflict is to make individual people uninterested in conflict. Most people already aren’t. Soldiers need to specifically be trained to kill, because that’s not something the majority of people want to do.
If the general says “fight!” And the foot soldier says “no, I think I’d like a nap”, does the war happen?
I’ll take “things that never happened” for $2000, Alex.
Go ahead. Quote me "singing the praises of NK. I’ll wait.
You’re just lying.
Utterly laughable! You think you’re an anarchist? You’re one of the most imperialist people I’ve talked to on here, and that’s a high bar.
Correct, you are right. I apologize for that, I was editing my earlier comment to account for my mistake as you responded. Please accept my retraction of that false accusation.