Soviet grandpa vs. Western libs

☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml · 3 days ago

Soviet grandpa vs. Western libs

CyberMonkey403@lemmy.ml · 2 days ago

You forgot the classic “You don’t miss USSR, you just miss being young”

☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml · 2 days ago

invariably spouted by somebody too young to have lived in USSR 🤣

waterwasamistake@lemmy.zip · 3 days ago

I am from Austria, “not everything was bad under hitler” was said a LOT by the older generations.

I don’t think a single individual viewpoint is giving a great picture about the overall situation of a country.

I also don’t see why people think they have to pick countries or ideologies like sportsteams. Just look at it with an open mind and take the good parts as inspiration and the bad parts as a warning.

JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 3 days ago

American History doesn’t exactly align with the rest of the world’s history.

We just kinda retcon it to make it fit the capitalist agenda.

davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml · 3 days ago

I thought we’d retired the pinhead/brainlet/drooling wojaks

TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 3 days ago

Yeah production stopped but we’ve got warehouses of them still in their packaging. It’ll be decades before we go through all the brainlet wojaks produced before 2023.

EmmiLime@lemmy.ml · 3 days ago

I’ve got a mint-condition wojak from 2009. Still in its meme folder packaging.

eldavi@lemmy.ml · 3 days ago

Maybe it stopped where you live, but there’s still plenty being made over here 😛

Hiro8811@lemmy.world · 2 days ago

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EmmiLime@lemmy.ml · 2 days ago

yea better listen to people who lived post-USSR and lived through shock therapy who definitely know about what it’s like to live during USSR

☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml · 2 days ago

also I wouldn’t take the word of demented people

hence why we can all safely ignore your lunatic ravings

trainsrkool@lemmy.ml · 3 days ago

also western libs, sTalIN evillll yOu taNKiE!

halvar@lemy.lol · 2 days ago

Okay sure I’m not from the former ussr, just from the former eastern block, and it may be most older people you know, but it’s certainly not most older people, at least over here.

BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml · 2 days ago

Source? Studies typically show the other case to be true

halvar@lemy.lol · 1 day ago

To be fair I originally wanted to finish that comment saying I felt somewhere around a 50-50 split, but I didn’t have any data to back that up, so I ended up excluding it. I live in Hungary and studies you linked to seem to back that up pretty well. On that note 50% of people saying they disapprove the switch is not “most people” which was my point.

☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml · 2 days ago

Additionally there are plenty of scientific studies comparing capitalist and socialist modes of development.

Professor of Economic History, Robert C. Allen, concludes in his study without the 1917 revolution is directly responsible for rapid growth that made the achievements listed above possible: https://web.archive.org/web/20200119044114/https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.507.8966&rep=rep1&type=pdf
Study demonstrating the steady increase in quality of life during the Soviet period (including under Stalin). Includes the fact that Soviet life expectancy grew faster than any other nation recorded at the time: https://www.jstor.org/stable/2672986?seq=1
A large study using world bank data analyzing the quality of life in Capitalist vs Socialist countries and finds overwhelmingly at similar levels of development with socialism bringing better quality of life: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1646771/pdf/amjph00269-0055.pdf
This study compared capitalist and socialist countries in measures of the physical quality of life (PQL), taking into account the level of economic development. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2430906/
This study shows that unprecedented mortality crisis struck Eastern Europe during the 1990s, causing around 7 million excess deaths. The first quantitative analysis of the association between deindustrialization and mortality in Eastern Europe. https://academic.oup.com/cje/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cje/beac072/7081084?guestAccessKey=01c8dd9f-af1c-48b3-b271-eb5d3a45017c&login=false
Romania, the inustrialization of an agrarian economy under socialist planning https://documents1.worldbank.org/curated/en/888851468333915517/pdf/multi0page.pdf

Malica@lemmy.zip · 2 days ago

I wouldn’t go back, what about that tankies?

MaxLemminist@lemmy.ml · 2 days ago

nobody will miss you

BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml · 2 days ago

“Well what about my anecdote? Checkmate tankies”

Wow, what a nightmare! Im sure the people are much happier when they got to experience a higher loss of QoL and life expectancy than what happened under Operation Barbarossa.
Oh, I guess not

Im sure everybody else is very happy to hear they dont have to interact with you.

☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml · 2 days ago

gulags were needed for a reason

wezzzy@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 days ago

Inly inside of russia and only at the peak of the ussr the russian periphery had it way worse

☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml · 3 days ago

ok there fash, now let’s look at the real world

A remarkable 72% of Hungarians say that most people in their country are actually worse off today economically than they were under communism. Only 8% say most people in Hungary are better off, and 16% say things are about the same. In no other Central or Eastern European country surveyed did so many believe that economic life is worse now than during the communist era. This is the result of almost universal displeasure with the economy. Fully 94% describe the country’s economy as bad, the highest level of economic discontent in the hard hit region of Central and Eastern Europe. Just 46% of Hungarians approve of their country’s switch from a state-controlled economy to a market economy; 42% disapprove of the move away from communism. The public is even more negative toward Hungary’s integration into Europe; 71% say their country has been weakened by the process.
The most incredible result was registered in a July 2010 IRES (Romanian Institute for Evaluation and Strategy) poll, according to which 41% of the respondents would have voted for Ceausescu, had he run for the position of president. And 63% of the survey participants said their life was better during communism, while only 23% attested that their life was worse then. Some 68% declared that communism was a good idea, just one that had been poorly applied.
Glorification of the German Democratic Republic is on the rise two decades after the Berlin Wall fell. Young people and the better off are among those rebuffing criticism of East Germany as an “illegitimate state.” In a new poll, more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR.
A poll shows that as many as 81 per cent of Serbians believe they lived best in the former Yugoslavia -“during the time of socialism”. The survey focused on the respondents’ views on the transition “from socialism to capitalism”, and a clear majority said they trusted social institutions the most during the rule of Yugoslav communist president Josip Broz Tito. The standard of living during Tito’s rule from the Second World War to the 1980s was also assessed as best, whereas the Milosevic decade of the 1990s, and the subsequent decade since the fall of his regime are seen as “more or less the same”. 45 percent said they trusted social institutions most under communism with 23 percent choosing the 2001-2003 period when Zoran Djinđic was prime minister. Only 19 per cent selected present-day institutions.
75% of Russians have expressed increasingly positive opinions about the Soviet Union over the years. Only a small portion of those surveyed said they had negative associations with the Soviet Union. The economic deficit, long lines and coupons were named by 4% of respondents each, while the Iron Curtain, economic stagnation and political repressions were named by 1% each, the Levada Center said.

wezzzy@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 day ago

Wow wow wow calling me a fash for no reason aint really respectfull we can disagree you dont have to get hostile :) ill read the articles later but the first link seems to be dead it leads to a 404 when you press read more

☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml · 1 day ago

you keep clutching them pearls, also seems like a problem with the internet at the troll farm, the link loads just fine here