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You really think middle-class Canadians have the same vim as people who fought imperialists for generations by the time Americans invaded? The way you guys respond to this shit with power fantasies is incredible.
I’m fine with people fighting the US, but I don’t think you’re going to do well if you think you’re able to welcome it.
People talking as though they take pride in their supposed fortitude against the US aren’t the kind of people who understand what violence is like to live in by merit of thinking it would be glorious. I’m saying if you’re someone who thinks it is a given that Canadians would stomp the US or whatever in a guerilla war, you are welcoming something that you do not understand.
Violence and war is never glorious, it is a painful, horrific and most terrible thing. However, it has been repeatedly shown to have been unfortunately needed.
By its very definition no side “stomps” the other in a guerrilla war. The intent is to make the occupier so uncomfortable that they eventually give up. It is a classic example of fourth generation warfare.
You should read my other comment here on the casual interest in military history and inflated sense of authority with which you guys talk about this. You can’t make a comment like you made and then pretend it doesnt underplay the gravity of this possibility; especially after suggesting that, somehow, people in colonized spaces don’t have the fighting heart of some of the most privileged settlers in the fucking world.
Yeah, sure dude, totally, you understand what it is enough to know when it is “needed.” Cowardly.
I would think that a career of over fifteen years in the Canadian Armed Forces after having escaped from a country torn by civil war and genocide might give me some background in the topics of military force, the willingness of the CAF to fight and armed resistance against tyranny, but, as citizens of a (relatively) free country, we are all entitled to our opinions and allowed to voice them.
Why the fuck would being in the military give you a working understanding of the culture and history of US and Canadian imperialism? You an aerospace engineer too?
If anyone in the CAF cared about tyranny, they wouldn’t be there.
But enough to make every invader’s lives miserable? Oh hell yes. You only need a few dozen people in Canada yo pull this off and I know we have much,much more than that both in Canada AND US territories…
Combined with deeply intertwined societies, inherently porous border and absolutely no clear signifiers of whether an unknown individual is Canadian or American? Even a very small insurgency will be nighmarishly hard to deal with.
Never mind that it’s not hard to picture there being true sympathizers in the states in real numbers.
I think too many of you confuse your casual interest in military tactics and history as having the sufficient expertise to speculate on war. Nobody is saying there wouldn’t be fighting, Im saying Canadians do not understand what fighting would actually mean, and honestly, these kinds of comment threads are great examples of that.
The point I’m making ISN’T that the blowhards and nationalists are actually who would fight… but that if ANYONE did, and someone would, it would be extraordinarily difficult to control. And frankly, the impact of actual fighting would be out of all proportion to how significant it really is militarily to the United States
You know what a thermobaric weapon is? You ever think about one landing on loved ones you live with; or living across the street from its target?
I don’t doubt there’s people who will fight back, I just know it isn’t you or many if any of the people on this site. The demos skew older, middle-class, STEM employed white cishet men, and the diversity ranges typically still include privileged classes. No Canadian settler alive has experienced war at the end of an imperial weapon like the US military; or any military. So, no, I don’t think the people on here who gleefully roleplay as guerilla freedom fighters from their desks really understand what they’re talking about.
I love that you literally couldn’t read this as anything other than the larp the rest of you engage in.
“Real life isn’t Call of Duty,” indicated to you that I want to seem knowledgeable about the military, because you couldn’t imagine a different perspective; just about sums up the Canadian community on here.
You really think middle-class Canadians have the same vim as people who fought imperialists for generations by the time Americans invaded? The way you guys respond to this shit with power fantasies is incredible.
I’m fine with people fighting the US, but I don’t think you’re going to do well if you think you’re able to welcome it.
I’m afraid that as a middle class Canadian, I don’t understand your last sentence.
People talking as though they take pride in their supposed fortitude against the US aren’t the kind of people who understand what violence is like to live in by merit of thinking it would be glorious. I’m saying if you’re someone who thinks it is a given that Canadians would stomp the US or whatever in a guerilla war, you are welcoming something that you do not understand.
Violence and war is never glorious, it is a painful, horrific and most terrible thing. However, it has been repeatedly shown to have been unfortunately needed.
By its very definition no side “stomps” the other in a guerrilla war. The intent is to make the occupier so uncomfortable that they eventually give up. It is a classic example of fourth generation warfare.
You should read my other comment here on the casual interest in military history and inflated sense of authority with which you guys talk about this. You can’t make a comment like you made and then pretend it doesnt underplay the gravity of this possibility; especially after suggesting that, somehow, people in colonized spaces don’t have the fighting heart of some of the most privileged settlers in the fucking world.
Yeah, sure dude, totally, you understand what it is enough to know when it is “needed.” Cowardly.
I would think that a career of over fifteen years in the Canadian Armed Forces after having escaped from a country torn by civil war and genocide might give me some background in the topics of military force, the willingness of the CAF to fight and armed resistance against tyranny, but, as citizens of a (relatively) free country, we are all entitled to our opinions and allowed to voice them.
Why the fuck would being in the military give you a working understanding of the culture and history of US and Canadian imperialism? You an aerospace engineer too?
If anyone in the CAF cared about tyranny, they wouldn’t be there.
You are more than welcome.
Most middle class Canadians?
Absolutely not
But enough to make every invader’s lives miserable? Oh hell yes. You only need a few dozen people in Canada yo pull this off and I know we have much,much more than that both in Canada AND US territories…
Combined with deeply intertwined societies, inherently porous border and absolutely no clear signifiers of whether an unknown individual is Canadian or American? Even a very small insurgency will be nighmarishly hard to deal with.
Never mind that it’s not hard to picture there being true sympathizers in the states in real numbers.
I think too many of you confuse your casual interest in military tactics and history as having the sufficient expertise to speculate on war. Nobody is saying there wouldn’t be fighting, Im saying Canadians do not understand what fighting would actually mean, and honestly, these kinds of comment threads are great examples of that.
I don’t think I’m arguing with that actually…
The point I’m making ISN’T that the blowhards and nationalists are actually who would fight… but that if ANYONE did, and someone would, it would be extraordinarily difficult to control. And frankly, the impact of actual fighting would be out of all proportion to how significant it really is militarily to the United States
You know what a thermobaric weapon is? You ever think about one landing on loved ones you live with; or living across the street from its target?
I don’t doubt there’s people who will fight back, I just know it isn’t you or many if any of the people on this site. The demos skew older, middle-class, STEM employed white cishet men, and the diversity ranges typically still include privileged classes. No Canadian settler alive has experienced war at the end of an imperial weapon like the US military; or any military. So, no, I don’t think the people on here who gleefully roleplay as guerilla freedom fighters from their desks really understand what they’re talking about.
You are a better armchair general than the rest of us.
Was that what you wanted to hear? Then you can leave now
I love that you literally couldn’t read this as anything other than the larp the rest of you engage in.
“Real life isn’t Call of Duty,” indicated to you that I want to seem knowledgeable about the military, because you couldn’t imagine a different perspective; just about sums up the Canadian community on here.
Oh no, it wasn’t just that comment, it’s the whole ego trip you’re going on under this post.
quotes?
I agree the comparison to other wars America lost is discord level discourse but appreciate the overall energy.