I love the leftists that accuse liberals of denying Israel’s genocide in Gaza (which we don’t) while ignoring Russia genocide of Ukraine and China’s genocide of Uyghurs.
I don’t know what’s more bullshit, the fact that you think actual leftists (not Soviet diehards) deny any genocide, or that the majority of the establishment Democrats (liberals) are on the side of Israel.
Establishment democrats are about three hundred people I’m talking about the eighty million people who vote liberal and who overwhelmingly are against Israel.
I’m not playing your no true scotsman game about ‘actual leftists’ because I see what leftist spaces look like.
Yes, the common man is more leftist than the current media / government. They don’t want colonialism, and they do want free healthcare, education, etc.
The people who are currently in seats are power are a problem, because they perpetuate this right leaning, corporate owned government, you fuckin canoe.
Thankfully Ukraine has prevented most of the genociding that Russia wants to do but in the beginning it was pretty bad. Also the amount of drones that hit residential buildings can be classified as an act of genocide.
What do you think the Azov Nazis were up to in Donbass? Do you think that banning the Russian language (which is many Ukrainians’ first language) in Ukraine is a good idea?
What @[email protected] said, but also: there is no language ban. You’re not getting arrested for speaking russian anywhere in Ukraine, including Kyiv.
What’s banned is russian work news, films, shows, books, etc. And, again, that’s only in Kyiv.
I dont think your sources proo what you think they do ‘An Amnesty International investigation into allegations of execution-style and other deliberate killings by pro-Russian separatists and pro-Kyiv forces has found evidence of isolated incidents attributable to both sides, but not on the scale reported by Russian media and authorities.’
Literally the first sentence
The only example about ukrainians crimes is the graves of 5 seperatist crimes - an inixdent in which Sergey lavrow claimes ‘mass graves’ of ‘400’‘women’.
The first article is Form 2023 well after the russian Invasion started (and butcha) and the ban was only in the capital - not a Region with majority russian speaking ukrainians - its fairly obvious why you would want to know if people are ukrainians Ehen you are in a war …
You seem confused. I don’t think any of that, and I don’t see where I gave any indication that I did. I know that Russia and Ukraine are both full of racists. I’m annoyed by the fact that all these redditors have such a cartoon-level view of this conflict.
I’m not confused. These questions outline the absurdity of “bUt AzOV!!”
Do you think military units consist of the same people what like 80 years later? Do you think they categorize military units by personal belief? It’s an absurd thing to say and it’s a complete whataboutism meant to derail.
People who try to say this have one goal – justifying the invasion and attempted cultural erasure of the Ukrainian people. It’s a disgusting, ignorant and pathetic argument that either makes you a Russian shill or a complete absolute fool. It’s your decision which you wanna be or just learn from it and don’t try to use such silly arguments which do nothing but detract from a discussion and label you as a moron.
Discussing the history of Ukraine is different than justifying this attempt by Russia to destroy them. If we’re judging countries by their history as worthiness to destroy them then that’s not a conversation Russia will come out on top.
Ukraine is a sovereign nation that deserves to decide their future. They are not a puppet state, they have done nothing to deserve this attempted destruction of their culture. Justifying it is pathetic as fuck.
I love the leftists that accuse liberals of denying Israel’s genocide in Gaza (which we don’t) while ignoring Russia genocide of Ukraine and China’s genocide of Uyghurs.
Most leftists aren’t tankies, thankyouverymuch.
But I agree they suck.
Leftists or tankies? Please specify who sucks.
Tankies. I think we can all agree tankies suck.
Very clearly tankies.
But I can see what causes confusion
You’d be surprised how many alt right accounts keep popping up on the Fediverse recently.
Surprised no, disappointed yes.
I don’t know what’s more bullshit, the fact that you think actual leftists (not Soviet diehards) deny any genocide, or that the majority of the establishment Democrats (liberals) are on the side of Israel.
no true scotsman
Do you just say words thinking you understand what they mean?
Establishment democrats are about three hundred people I’m talking about the eighty million people who vote liberal and who overwhelmingly are against Israel.
I’m not playing your no true scotsman game about ‘actual leftists’ because I see what leftist spaces look like.
Yes, the common man is more leftist than the current media / government. They don’t want colonialism, and they do want free healthcare, education, etc.
The people who are currently in seats are power are a problem, because they perpetuate this right leaning, corporate owned government, you fuckin canoe.
Why don’t you get mad at those three hundred people instead of shouting about how much you hate leftists?
No one hates a leftist like another leftist does.
Your absolutely right. Reading your comments I hate you. 😂
Oh I’m a liberal I can’t stand leftists.
My favorite part about dumbass liberals is that they know all the failings of capitalism, but still support it. Fucking morons.
And before you say it, no, I’m not a tankie and I don’t support Russia. A lot of liberals support Israel though.
It’s okay honey.
Despite communism always turning into an authoritarian hellscape one time it’ll work out.
A liberal that hates leftists? Shocker!
Who was accused in op’s meme?
What does that have to do with my comment?
israel is committing genocide against gaza.
russia is the aggressor, and ukraine are defending themsleves against an invasion
agree or disagree?
Russia is committing genocide against Ukraine.
Israel is committing genocide against Palestines.
China is committing genocide against Uyghurs.
Explain what the difference is if you disagree with that.
nope.
we are 100% in agreement. i fully, completely agree with your reply
Somehow you, as a self-proclaimed liberal, felt accused by leftists, and I was wondering how you got from op’s meme to liberals being accused.
You may want to re-read my comment.
Genocide of Ukraine? Is every war or invasion a genocide? You are definitely watering down the word.
Russia is kidnapping children and re-educating them, which is basically point 5 of article 2 on the definition from the convention on prevention of genocide.
That’s not watering down the term, that’s literally using the word to describe what they’re doing.
Thankfully Ukraine has prevented most of the genociding that Russia wants to do but in the beginning it was pretty bad. Also the amount of drones that hit residential buildings can be classified as an act of genocide.
Is Ukraine also genociding ethnic Russians?
Is Ukraine doing anything on the list of things that would make it a genocide? No, I didn’t think they were. Go suck putin chode somewhere else.
What do you think the Azov Nazis were up to in Donbass? Do you think that banning the Russian language (which is many Ukrainians’ first language) in Ukraine is a good idea?
They were fighting russian military.
It wasn’t banned.
Try reading something that’s not russian propaganda for a change.
https://www.dw.com/en/kyiv-imposes-ban-on-russian-language-culture/a-66301913
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2014/10/eastern-ukraine-conflict-summary-killings-misrecorded-and-misreported/
Both of these sources are well within the western propaganda sphere, so certain concessions are notable.
What @[email protected] said, but also: there is no language ban. You’re not getting arrested for speaking russian anywhere in Ukraine, including Kyiv.
What’s banned is russian work news, films, shows, books, etc. And, again, that’s only in Kyiv.
I dont think your sources proo what you think they do ‘An Amnesty International investigation into allegations of execution-style and other deliberate killings by pro-Russian separatists and pro-Kyiv forces has found evidence of isolated incidents attributable to both sides, but not on the scale reported by Russian media and authorities.’ Literally the first sentence The only example about ukrainians crimes is the graves of 5 seperatist crimes - an inixdent in which Sergey lavrow claimes ‘mass graves’ of ‘400’‘women’.
The first article is Form 2023 well after the russian Invasion started (and butcha) and the ban was only in the capital - not a Region with majority russian speaking ukrainians - its fairly obvious why you would want to know if people are ukrainians Ehen you are in a war …
This is such a dumb thing to say.
Do you think racists don’t exist in Russia? Do you think Soviet Russia was only good guys ever? Do you think Russia today is only good guys?
Absolutely pathetic argument
You seem confused. I don’t think any of that, and I don’t see where I gave any indication that I did. I know that Russia and Ukraine are both full of racists. I’m annoyed by the fact that all these redditors have such a cartoon-level view of this conflict.
I’m not confused. These questions outline the absurdity of “bUt AzOV!!”
Do you think military units consist of the same people what like 80 years later? Do you think they categorize military units by personal belief? It’s an absurd thing to say and it’s a complete whataboutism meant to derail.
People who try to say this have one goal – justifying the invasion and attempted cultural erasure of the Ukrainian people. It’s a disgusting, ignorant and pathetic argument that either makes you a Russian shill or a complete absolute fool. It’s your decision which you wanna be or just learn from it and don’t try to use such silly arguments which do nothing but detract from a discussion and label you as a moron.
Discussing the history of Ukraine is different than justifying this attempt by Russia to destroy them. If we’re judging countries by their history as worthiness to destroy them then that’s not a conversation Russia will come out on top.
Ukraine is a sovereign nation that deserves to decide their future. They are not a puppet state, they have done nothing to deserve this attempted destruction of their culture. Justifying it is pathetic as fuck.
Avarage ml bruh
Critical of the vibes-based circlejerk?
Critical of the Russian shill