She had a severe case of postpartum psychoses and killed her kids. Went to trial and was found not guilty by every juror except a woman hating wife beater even though he admitted to having reasonable doubt, which lead to a mistrail.
It’s a very shitty meme that makes fun of a woman’s tragedy.
Lmao
The case is well documented. She wasn’t in psychosis. She went on the phone mid murder spree like everything was all right. Put her in a jail and throw the key
A woman’s tragedy? The fuck? She strangled her three children to death. I don’t give a shit what circumstances led to it. The tragedy is the kids who were murdered and everyone who knew and loved them.
It’s terrible that she couldn’t get the help she needed. That doesn’t make her the victim.
It’s terrible that she couldn’t get the help she needed.
Yeah, funny thing about that: per the Wikipedia article on the case, there were no fewer than three attempts at inpatient care for her, one discharged her, one she refused and the third she checked herself out of.
Multiple doctors passed her around and all tried to prescribe her different medicines without coordinating with one another, and none of them really took her postpartum depression symptoms as seriously as they should have.
She had a medical condition that caused it. Just because you’ve never had such a condition doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. The world is bigger than your experience. If you can imagine yourself having a heart attack forcing your body to stop driving and kill your kids, why can’t you imagine yourself with a mental illness that forces you to do terrible things?
Your take is what, mental illness sufficient to cause someone to kill their kids is possible, and when it occurs it…is always also powerful and far-reaching enough to always degrade the ability to accomplish it? And/or being able to plan and accomplish it means they couldn’t have been fucked up heavily enough for mental illness to cause it?
I understand feeling strongly about the case, but that position is shallow and doesn’t add up. I’ve seen people undergoing psychotic breaks and heard about many more than I’ve seen. They can obviously plan and accomplish things, that’s kinda the whole problem for everyone else, where their internal wtf becomes external. And unlike merely drug-induced psychotic states, it doesn’t just fade with the dose, it dwells and lingers and festers and can become inescapable without help.
The things folks in that state can accomplish make no sense outside of their head, and shouldn’t be accomplished, but they don’t magically turn into a mush that can’t keep an idea coherent and “pull it off”. (Bad) Ideas remaining too coherent and consistent is kinda the whole problem? Your insistence of otherwise kinda reveals your lack of experience with the whole shebang, just being honest.
I’ve lived myself with psychotic breaks all my life (I’m ADHD, autistic and bipolar, these three things cause strong problems with emotional regulation), I know what I’m talking about because I have to live with 6 fucking chronical meds because of that.
I can tell you that one can’t do a plan that complex in that state. And when one’s calm, obviously that’s something that won’t be even thought if you’re a good person.
One can still act and do terrible things, yeah, but it’s more sort of instinctive and primal, reactive I’d say.
If you were having a heart attack and deliberately accelerated and aimed your car at a group of people on the sidewalk, then you are both the victim of a heart attack and a murderer.
Mental illness should affect where you are incarcerated and the type of treatment you get, but it doesn’t mean that you get a free pass.
The US’s handling of incarcerated people, especially the mentally ill, is gross and malicious, but this is the choice that the voters have made. That desperately needs to be fixed, but setting a murderer free is not helping.
Also, it’s really grotesque that stealing to feed your children, or sneaking across borders to give them a better life is worthy of jail time if you aren’t white, but if you are white then premeditated murder of your own children makes you a hero.
No. That’s entirely not the point. If you have a heart attack and so your body forces you to fall unconscious and so you get in an accident and kill your children, are you guilty? Obviously you need medical attention and cannot be allowed to drive while there is any significant chance that you might do it again.
Nobody is suggesting that this woman should be set free - she needs to be in a secure mental treatment facility until she is safe to be in society - and possibly that will never happen.
This has nothing to do with those other issues or skin color. It is about mental health, women’s support and post partum care.
If you can’t wrap your head around the mental illness cause part because you have no empathy or ability to understand things you haven’t experienced, maybe think about how one’s mind can be altered with drugs/alchohol, or how hypnotism can make people do complex weird things. Our brains are a very complex chemical system and can get out of whack causing surprising results. Post partum mental illness is much more common than most people believe because of the stigma and covering it up. It needs a lot more understanding and accommodation - that recognition and support would help avoid such tragedies as this case. Your inability to understand and empathize will only make things worse.
What the actual fuck is this comparison? And even if thus happened to me my first thought wouldn’t be how do I get out of this wile destroying my husband’s life even more.
They all are. What happened is the result of a combination of rampant capitalism and for-profit healthcare. The system will continue to produce results like this, and most people will ignore when it happens to poor/minority/immigrant people.
At least this is in the shitpost community, where most of these replies are to be expected.
you are listening to misinformation, the woman in the juror went on a SJW crusade to get her freed, because they felt “Woman needs to be not the same as men”
Not being found guilty for it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
If you’re at a carnival where one of the games is throwing axes at a board. And somehow a child suddenly teleported in front of the board after throwing the axe, you might not be guilty for it. But you still killed the kid.
Definitely killed her kids. Allegedly insane enough to not be able to be found guilty (which would still wind up with her locked up). And it was the state’s burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she was sane enough to be found guilty. That’s what the jury needed to deliberate and come to a consensus on, but didn’t quite.
She had a severe case of postpartum psychoses and killed her kids. Went to trial and was found not guilty by every juror except a woman hating wife beater even though he admitted to having reasonable doubt, which lead to a mistrail.
It’s a very shitty meme that makes fun of a woman’s tragedy.
Lmao The case is well documented. She wasn’t in psychosis. She went on the phone mid murder spree like everything was all right. Put her in a jail and throw the key
A woman’s tragedy? The fuck? She strangled her three children to death. I don’t give a shit what circumstances led to it. The tragedy is the kids who were murdered and everyone who knew and loved them.
It’s terrible that she couldn’t get the help she needed. That doesn’t make her the victim.
Not the victim, but a victim for sure
Yeah, funny thing about that: per the Wikipedia article on the case, there were no fewer than three attempts at inpatient care for her, one discharged her, one she refused and the third she checked herself out of.
Multiple doctors passed her around and all tried to prescribe her different medicines without coordinating with one another, and none of them really took her postpartum depression symptoms as seriously as they should have.
If you had a heart attack while driving and so got into an accident and your children in the car were killed but you survived, are you a victim?
That’s not what happened. She committed premeditated murder, with advance planning.
She had a medical condition that caused it. Just because you’ve never had such a condition doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. The world is bigger than your experience. If you can imagine yourself having a heart attack forcing your body to stop driving and kill your kids, why can’t you imagine yourself with a mental illness that forces you to do terrible things?
I didn’t know a medical condition can cause you to wait till your husband is out of the house to kill your 3 children
Well, apparently that’s what a jury overwhelmingly found. So it seems many people can fathom such a medical condition.
A very biased jury, save for one dude.
Biased and corrupt, for sure
Biased by what?
Now you know
Yeaaa, like, the level of premeditation and reasoning is incompatible with a mental illness like that.
But hey, she’s a woman, and women can’t be bad nor commit any crimes, they’re always victims and men are always criminals, yk, totally common sense.
I’d love to see the reactions if she were a male and not a female.
Your take is what, mental illness sufficient to cause someone to kill their kids is possible, and when it occurs it…is always also powerful and far-reaching enough to always degrade the ability to accomplish it? And/or being able to plan and accomplish it means they couldn’t have been fucked up heavily enough for mental illness to cause it?
I understand feeling strongly about the case, but that position is shallow and doesn’t add up. I’ve seen people undergoing psychotic breaks and heard about many more than I’ve seen. They can obviously plan and accomplish things, that’s kinda the whole problem for everyone else, where their internal wtf becomes external. And unlike merely drug-induced psychotic states, it doesn’t just fade with the dose, it dwells and lingers and festers and can become inescapable without help.
The things folks in that state can accomplish make no sense outside of their head, and shouldn’t be accomplished, but they don’t magically turn into a mush that can’t keep an idea coherent and “pull it off”. (Bad) Ideas remaining too coherent and consistent is kinda the whole problem? Your insistence of otherwise kinda reveals your lack of experience with the whole shebang, just being honest.
I’ve lived myself with psychotic breaks all my life (I’m ADHD, autistic and bipolar, these three things cause strong problems with emotional regulation), I know what I’m talking about because I have to live with 6 fucking chronical meds because of that.
I can tell you that one can’t do a plan that complex in that state. And when one’s calm, obviously that’s something that won’t be even thought if you’re a good person.
One can still act and do terrible things, yeah, but it’s more sort of instinctive and primal, reactive I’d say.
If you were having a heart attack and deliberately accelerated and aimed your car at a group of people on the sidewalk, then you are both the victim of a heart attack and a murderer.
Mental illness should affect where you are incarcerated and the type of treatment you get, but it doesn’t mean that you get a free pass.
The US’s handling of incarcerated people, especially the mentally ill, is gross and malicious, but this is the choice that the voters have made. That desperately needs to be fixed, but setting a murderer free is not helping.
Also, it’s really grotesque that stealing to feed your children, or sneaking across borders to give them a better life is worthy of jail time if you aren’t white, but if you are white then premeditated murder of your own children makes you a hero.
No. That’s entirely not the point. If you have a heart attack and so your body forces you to fall unconscious and so you get in an accident and kill your children, are you guilty? Obviously you need medical attention and cannot be allowed to drive while there is any significant chance that you might do it again.
Nobody is suggesting that this woman should be set free - she needs to be in a secure mental treatment facility until she is safe to be in society - and possibly that will never happen.
This has nothing to do with those other issues or skin color. It is about mental health, women’s support and post partum care.
If you can’t wrap your head around the mental illness cause part because you have no empathy or ability to understand things you haven’t experienced, maybe think about how one’s mind can be altered with drugs/alchohol, or how hypnotism can make people do complex weird things. Our brains are a very complex chemical system and can get out of whack causing surprising results. Post partum mental illness is much more common than most people believe because of the stigma and covering it up. It needs a lot more understanding and accommodation - that recognition and support would help avoid such tragedies as this case. Your inability to understand and empathize will only make things worse.
Yeah, but she was fucking conscius, reasoned, premeditated and planned everything. I’d love to have a mental illness like that if it actually existed…
I would argue she wasn’t reasoned and premeditated. But why do you think such mental illness doesn’t exist?
Premeditated and planned? Not particularly, from what I saw of the trial.
What the actual fuck is this comparison? And even if thus happened to me my first thought wouldn’t be how do I get out of this wile destroying my husband’s life even more.
Oh, I get it, the Husband’s the victim here.
Because he is, apart from his children
They all are. What happened is the result of a combination of rampant capitalism and for-profit healthcare. The system will continue to produce results like this, and most people will ignore when it happens to poor/minority/immigrant people.
At least this is in the shitpost community, where most of these replies are to be expected.
Jesus Christ, I read the wikipedia page and this meme is fucking awful. What a fucked up thing to joke about
Yea i agree i hope this gets removed
you are listening to misinformation, the woman in the juror went on a SJW crusade to get her freed, because they felt “Woman needs to be not the same as men”
Allegedly killed her kids
She admitted to it, the question is whether she is criminally responsible or if her postpartum psychosis constitutes mitigating circumstances.
She may have lied when she ‘admitted it’. She hasn’t been found guilty in a court of law. It’s still only ‘allegedly’.
She admitted it in court.
Not being found guilty for it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
If you’re at a carnival where one of the games is throwing axes at a board. And somehow a child suddenly teleported in front of the board after throwing the axe, you might not be guilty for it. But you still killed the kid.
Lmao, why wouldn’t anyone admit something that will destroy their life?
Because there is undeniable evidence and you’re lawyer tells you the only way out of this is to claim you were neglected.
Yeah, I meant, why wouldn’t anyone lie with that, I phrased it horribly lol
Definitely killed her kids. Allegedly insane enough to not be able to be found guilty (which would still wind up with her locked up). And it was the state’s burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she was sane enough to be found guilty. That’s what the jury needed to deliberate and come to a consensus on, but didn’t quite.
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