When Windows 10 support ends I was planning on transitioning to Linux on my desktop. I just tried CachyOS KDE Plasma and immediately ran into two serious issues:
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I could not figure out how to get audio to come out of my headphones. Everything is connected, and sound totally works on Windows 10 with my Audioengine D3 USB DAC, but not in CachyOS. I messed with all the system audio settings, profiles, and mute control, and nothing worked. No audio at all, not from test sound, not from browser.
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Apparently Wayland is the name of the default/best video compositor for Linux, but it doesn’t seem to support ycbcr subsampling modes. In Windows 10, I use the Nvidia-provided 4:2:0 subsampling mode with my RTX 2060 Super to get 4K120 support over HDMI to my LG C1 (genuinely hard to see the difference unless you’re running a test pattern). It seems you have to use the X11 compositor in Linux to get that feature, but I’ve read that X11 provides a poor experience compared to Wayland.
Not to mention, my first CachyOS install attempt bugged midway through (installing from DVD disc) and I spent a lot of time unsuccessfully trying to restart the install process not realizing something was borked in that session that was preventing partitions from being formatted for the installer. So I rebooted and manually set to load the installer into RAM, and finally was able to get it to install.
Seeing my experience hasn’t improved since the last time I tried Linux (Mint, a few years ago - really bad audio stuttering), now the plan has switched to sticking to W10 until software inevitably stops supporting it (Nvidia is already ending W10 game ready support this year), and then switching to W11. I’ll just have to use mods to improve the usability, specifically for start menu and right click menu.
I would like to use Linux but it really disappointed me seeing all the hype on LTT’s channel, only to see that it’s still user experience hell. It’s either “works but evil” (Windows) or “doesn’t work but not evil” (Linux) and that’s unfortunate.
Buy Linux-compatible hardware. NOT NVidia.
That’s OK. Maybe sticking with Windows is what’s best for you.
It’s either “works but evil” (Windows) or “doesn’t work but not evil” (Linux) and that’s unfortunate.
Sorry to be that guy, but Linux does indeed work fine for a lot of folks. Just not for everybody.
I’ve been using for 8 years now without a single major issue, after having been using Apple products since the early 80s. It mostly depends the use case I imagine and, not being a gamer myself, I’m not sure I even understand completely what was your issue with the GPU. But once again it’s obvious it will not work for everyone and I’m sorry you had not experienced that same level of usability as I and many others are.
FYI, for audio output selection I use a little utility called Sound Switcher Indicator, it easily lets me select where I want the audio to play, directly from Mint’s taskbar. Maybe this can help? https://yktoo.com/en/software/sound-switcher-indicator/
That’s a: factually incorrect, and b: 20 years (at least) out of date.
There are a lot of distros that are plug and play now that switching doesn’t have to be hard
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A few things that might save the next attempt, whichever distro you land on:
Audio: USB DACs on PipeWire usually work, but sometimes they aren’t picked as the default output or end up on an “Off”/“Pro Audio” profile.
wpctl statusshows whether the D3 is listed under Sinks, andwpctl set-default <id>makes it the default. If it isn’t listed at all,aplay -ltells you whether the kernel sees it. pavucontrol’s Configuration tab is the easiest place to switch the profile to plain stereo output.4K120: the 2060 Super only has HDMI 2.0, which is why you need 4:2:0 for 4K120 on the C1 in the first place. A common workaround is an active DisplayPort 1.4 to HDMI 2.1 adapter on the card’s DP port. A good one gets the C1 to 4K120 at full RGB, so the subsampling question goes away on Windows and Linux alike (VRR through those adapters is hit or miss, and cheap ones top out at 60Hz, so check that it specifically lists 4K120).
Installer: writing the ISO to a USB stick is much more reliable than a DVD, and checking the ISO checksum first rules out a bad download.
For the video issues, IIRC that’s an issue with HDMI. If that is the issue then switching to Displayport should help. Something about the HDMI forum not playing ball with the Linux driver devs.
Something about the HDMI forum not playing ball with the Linux driver devs.
The reason is, the HDMI forum (those who have the rights on HDMI) doesn’t like Open Source their drivers, even by reverse engineering. They want to sell the licenses and anything that is Open Source would affect their business. So its purely a money driven decision. And any driver in the Linux Kernel needs to be Open Source. But recently this has changed, because some magic by Valve happened (presumably because of the Steam Machine) and now everyone can use the full extend of the HDMI specs. Probably also because the next HDMI specs are about to release too… so the next catch up starts again.
However I never understood why its not possible to do it like the proprietary graphics drivers of Nvidia, to add it as a module.
Can they theoretically implement the subsampling mode into Wayland if they wanted to, but they haven’t gotten to it, or is it actually locked out?
They could, but the HDMI forum just had a recent history with not allowing even AMD to make their hdmi 2.1 compliant drivers open source, so progress on open drivers efforts across the entire open source community slowed down almost to a halt due fear of critical open projects being sued due to patent infringement and copyright.
Refer to the news: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/hdmi-forum-rejects-amds-hdmi-21-open-source-driver
The history of Linux hardware incompatibility is paved by hardware and software monopolies holding the line via legal/economic interference, lobbying and malicious compliance such as the infamous: Embrace, extended and extinguish.
Refer to the history:
Embrace, extend and extinguish: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
Widespread efforts by Microsoft and at&t to smother the image of open source legal stability by patent trolling:
BSD: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIX_System_Laboratories,_Inc._v._Berkeley_Software_Design,_Inc.
Linux: https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-ballmer-steps-up-linux-infringement-suit-rhetoric/
Summaries of the situation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_patents_and_free_software
As seen above, these sort of interventions are nothing new, standard desktop Linux could not only be theoretically capable of doing many of the things it currently can’t, it already does those things in: closed, out of Linux kernel tree repositories that companies refuse to open source and merge into the main kernel due a protectionist stance on artificial scarcity and upholding of existing monopolies.
Refer to infamous Linus middle finger to nvidia: https://www.techspot.com/news/49025-torvalds-blasts-nvidia-over-linux-support-gives-them-the-middle-finger-during-speech.html
If a massive company like nvidia is like this, imagine the thousands of hardware companies out there, with varying levels of competency and “ethics”, now put into perspective how low the bar is for profit first companies, ie. All of them is set, where would your DAC manufacturer stand exactly between them? How many inches above the crust of the seventh layer of hell, exactly?
Post like these sting because people have no ideia just how much effort it takes to make Linux work in spite of the unwillingness of hardware companies, which are not only awful, have been awful, they are also getting exponentially more awful by the dollar. The future of open general computing is grim, man, we’re in the trenches with AI slop now even.
Sorry for the rant, but I felt compelled to, please be reasonable given the circumstances. Again, my bad.
I have never tried Catchy, but some distros require more setup and maintenance than others.
Currently I have Debian and Pop os as my main distros. Those two have worked almost without issue compared to other distros I tried. Troubleshooting and learning how your computer actually works is part of the fun with Linux though. I used to get really discouraged when something on my computer would not work, but I realized that was mainly due to not understanding how to fix it. With Linux you can fix it yourself and it teaches you how to be patient and learn to solve computer issues on your own.
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Audio is always an issue. I still have issues with Audio on some distros. like on Void I couldn’t get audio working at all to save my life. Try a different distro like Fedora or Debian if you want it to work out of the box. if you’re looking for a gaming focused distro like CachyOS try PikaOS which is a fork of Debian. by far one of the quickest and most straight forward installs i’ve ever experienced.
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you don’t have to use Wayland, I don’t. I can’t stand wayland. I use X11 with Picom. I use DWM cause it just works. if you want a desktop environment then use XFCE4. that just works and is very light weight.
But honestly at the end of the day if Windows works for you and still works for you then just stick with it. Don’t listen to the people who say “wah wah windows bad” it doesn’t matter. Use whatever works. I mean I use every OS on various machines because I honestly enjoy playing around with Operating Systems. I use Linux, BSD, Windows, MacOS on various machines. there’s no perfect OS out there and I’ve used them all. just use what works for you and your hardware.
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Try Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, Mint as LiveUSB’s to see if you like the experience. Installing different DE’s can be done, and there are also versions of distros with KDE as the default. Giving one distro a shot really does yourself a disservice, especially if your answer is to go back to an OS that has reached EOL.
As much as I’m a fanboy and Windows hater, I hate it much more that people downvote their bad experience with Linux.
- In general if you use Linux, you need to be aware of what hardware you have and what is supported and what needs extra work. Looks like your Audioengine DAC is troublesome on Linux since years: https://alriklubbers.com/2020/12/29/fix-audioengine-d3-volume-control-on-linux/
- X11 doesn’t provide a poor experience compared to Wayland. If anything, its the other way around, because Wayland has still some missing features and support from all applications that are established standards on X11. But to me this tradeoff is worth it, because Wayland is more secure by design and is the future, while X11 is abandoned. You can run most X11 games on Wayland with the integrated XWayland bridge (it does it for you automatically). – Also Nvidia is a removed in Linux, so maybe its an issue with their proprietary driver, rather than Linux (which does not invalidate your issue BTW, I’m not discounting the problem you have, just move the blame). Since the RTX 2060 series, there are also Open Source drivers built into the Kernel. But they are not as good as the proprietary drivers directly from Nvidia yet.
Overall Linux is not just a single operating system or vendor, and that’s one of the beauty compared to locked down Windows and what Microsoft allows you to do. In Linux you can switch and change graphics system like X11 or Wayland, you can choose the entire desktop environment like KDE or Gnome or build you own by using a Window manager directly. And that’s just a few points I listed. When installing first and learning, this is a lot off course. Let alone the customization you are able to do once you are familiar with the system.
Windows 11 can be used with an online account online, that needs to be registered and activated by Microsoft. You have ads in your startmenu, Microsoft is tracking everything, even if you change settings it will revert at some point. Updates are horrendous in Windows. Ai integrated deeply in the system (if you like that, there is even a Linux distribution for you too…).
It’s unfortunate that you didn’t have much luck when trying Linux out. I’m not sugar coating it here, some hardware setups, and some use cases are just not well suited on Linux. You have to weight what you gain and loose with the switch and if its worth it for you. Maybe there is a distribution out there that fits you well, but its hard to say what exactly caused your issues. I just wish people would not downvote you for sharing your experience and frustration.
X11 doesn’t provide a poor experience compared to Wayland. If anything, its the other way around, because Wayland has still some missing features and support from all applications that are established standards on X11.
Hard disagree in 2026. On KDE, Wayland is now perfectly stable on my old-ass Nvidia GPU (noting that because it wasn’t nearly stable a few years ago). Wayland to me feels smoother and faster (144 Hz display), fractional scaling exists for high-DPI displays, there’s no screen tearing, and there’s HDR support.
I’ve recently had no problem with things like screen recording, although I can’t speak to screen sharing/remote desktop or accessibility. KDE maintains a list of significant issues.
The only issues I actually have that are regressions from X11 are that 1) picture-in-picture in Firefox doesn’t automatically stay above other windows and 2) session restore doesn’t keep my windows where they were. Given there’s a quick, just slightly annoying, workaround for PiP and given I’m not restoring my session that often (one to maybe a few times per day), these hardly outweigh how much worse X11 feels constantly due to its poor frame presentation.
To that end, I think you’re wrong on “if anything”, because for most typical users, Wayland is going to feel better to use.
Moreover, I imagine finally dropping X11 support will allow KDE more room to improve the Wayland experience.
Otherwise, though, I agree about not downvoting poor Linux experiences.
It depends what you do. I’m on KDE too with Wayland, and one can experience a lot of issues. In example global shortcuts are not figured out in Wayland. KDE has some hacks that are specific to KDE, not a Wayland solution. Window position are also not remembered or cannot be forced, unless off course you use KDE, and use specific window recognition and saving their position as special settings and so on. But those solutions are specific to KDE and not a global solution for every user and environment.
For the PiP (picture in picture) mode in Firefox, it does stay above other windows for me. But that is probably because I use an extension on KDE that manages the windows (name Krohnkite).
I also love it to be on Wayland for multi monitor support. Mixing up 120 Hz (or 144) with 60 Hz monitors is great, and this even works if individual monitors have some sort of VRR that does not affect the other. Overall I was not saying that Wayland sucks, otherwise I wouldn’t stay on it. But I was saying that Wayland sucks in some points, and some of those are solved with workarounds in KDE specifically. So that’s why I can’t say its okay in Wayland, its just okay in KDE (sorry I repeat myself).
I could not figure out how to get audio to come out of my headphones.
That’s probably an Audioengine D3 USB DAC problem and not a Linux problem. Almost all audio systems are supported in Linux, but maybe this one isn’t. It is up to the hardware vendor to ensure quality support, that’s also how it works with Windows. It’s not Microsoft that writes all those drivers, they are written by the OEM vendor.
Only with Linux sometimes users of the hardware implement the support that should have been provided by the vendor.
over HDMI to my LG C1
Don’t use HDMI, HDMI is inferior to display port and only serves the purpose to work as a DRM mechanism, something we absolutely do not want.
but I’ve read that X11 provides a poor experience compared to Wayland.
I have no idea what bad user-experience X11 should be the cause of. X11 works absolutely fine, and has features you won’t find anywhere else.
But apart from that I’ve heard Windows is utter crap proprietary spyware, so compared to that you are obviously way better off with Linux.
You should complain to the maker of that audio system about it not working, your complaint here is completely irrelevant, and achieves nothing.I use Linux since the 90’s, I have nothing Microsoft at my home, not a Windows fan at all.
That being said, “Linux is not the problem, XYZ is” is totally an unacceptable answer for people coming to Linux.
The guy doesn’t want a list of finger pointers, blames, good-or-bad reasons – he wants sound!
Linux strong point isn’t multimedia / customer hardware support, and that’s totally fine.
“Skill issues”, "Work on my machine “, and " Not Linux fault, but EvilCorp fault” never helped anyone, nor “don’t use HDMI” …
So, before telling OP that his “complaint” achieves nothing, take a good long look at yourself.
Moreover, OP seems telling us their experience in hope to get help more than complaining…
Moreover, OP seems telling us their experience in hope to get help more than complaining…
No I never saw a question there.
he wants sound!
Then use something that is Linux compatible.
Damn straight. It’s been said that the biggest obstacle for Linux on desktop is other Linux users.
That being said, “Linux is not the problem, XYZ is” is totally an unacceptable answer for people coming to Linux.
If it’s a piece of hardware that is known for not getting along with Linux, this is literally just a factual statement.
Look, I get it, Linux isn’t at fault for all the issues he’s experiencing, but it is what it is. It not being Linux’s fault won’t magically make OP’s DAC work, and who knows why OP is using HDMi - there may be a good reason for that, too (maybe the TV doesn’t have Displayport?). You will never be in a 100% FOSS environment if you need certain functionality, at least not in this day and age. OP tried, I’m assuming gave it his best, and is frustrated that it didn’t work, since he would have liked to switch. That’s 100% legitimate.
Yeah, you’ll hear a lot of Wayland fanboying, but X11 is still more reliable and full featured IME. Someday þat may not be true, but over 10 years in and Wayland can still not support global keybindings unless you are willing to accept DE bloat.
Wayland is cool, but I had to revert to X11, but with KDE Wayland didn’t support the keybindings I wanted. It might be a KDE problem, but nonetheless I chose to go back to KDE for the overall better experience. And I never had a problem with X11.
AFAIK Wayland is as much about developers wanting a fresh slate and a clean start. Not that that there was anything wrong with X11.
I fully understand that, and I expect that in time I will switch to Wayland, it’s not actually a huge issue either way IMO.PS:
Thanks to to the coders who are putting in the hours for both projects to be great. 👍 😎 😀
It really was only one minor issue that made me stay with X11.
I couldn’t get everything in my setup to work in catchyos, but everything works in Garuda. Try distros until you find one that doesn’t piss you off.
Can I ask how you were able to see my post if it doesn’t show in the community page? Also, would you know if the Wayland ycbcr issue will affect all distributions?
Could be a Wayland problem? You don’t have to run Wayland. A lot of distros are still using X11. Mint for example
Can I ask how you were able to see my post if it doesn’t show in the community page?
You mean the page on [email protected]? For me it shows up in the list. But besides that, there are different views in Lemmy that shows posts based on different criteria and logic. One of them is to show newest entries first in example.
Hmmh. Isn’t there some way to fix those two issues? I mean it’s usually the case that we have to put in some effort when starting fresh. You probably put in time to get the audio how you like it with Windows, and configured the display subsampling to your liking and now that’s all set up perfectly. And now you’re trying to set up the computer in a different way. And I’d expect that to sometimes come with a bit of friction?! At least it won’t just continue exactly as is, because you’re starting fresh with a new operating system.
If you really like to switch… I think configuring a USB DAC should be possible. Not sure about the Nvidia stuff. You’d have to blame the big companies for deliberately messing up HDMI. And LG for not providing any alternative. I mean if it’s worth the effort for you, you could try asking for help. If you’re okay with Windows and like to avoid starting all over again, maybe just stick with it?!
I mean it’s going to be some sort of tradeoff anyway. Currently you have the subsampling right. Maybe on the flipside your CPU performance is worse than it could be with Linux. And it’s a bit wasteful with the memory and spies on you. With Linux that might improve, but you might trade it in for a few different quirks. Computers rarely come anywhere close to being perfect. But you can pick your poison.
There are soo many options for Linux that it can be hard to make a decision.
My recommendation for people moving from windoze who haven’t used anything else is always Ubuntu. I run an Ubuntu machine, and have a couple of other distros for different purposes.
The advantage of Ubuntu is that it is generally plug and play, and that it is a very easy transition from the dark side.
Once you get comfortable, then move to different distros. Currently, I have Ubuntu, Mint,Pop, and Hannah Montana running.
Ubuntu is the reason why I hated Linux first. It is crappy bloatware, that is hard to use. You have to open terminal to install deb files, and you have no idea you had to install nvidia driver. Snap packages are attrocity someone caught dead using.
KDE Plasma desktop was the best, then it helped me get into tiling. (Mint is also really cool)
Go with Debian, same as ubuntu but not bloated and snap focussed
Also default ubuntu is GNOME, which is closer to apple, if you come from Windows its way easier with plasma
Second that. There’s LMDE as well, which is Debian with a few perks for beginners. Just Ubuntu isn’t all that great. It used to be some sort of default recommendation for newbies. But that’s a long time ago. And with Ubuntu you just picked a vendor who regularly does weird business decisions. And they (Canonical) also massively suffer from the “not invented here” syndrome. Oftentimes they’ll deliver some sub-par experience to their users because they developed it, instead of going with the accepted standard solutions everybody else uses. Which also don’t get abandoned after a few years. I mean Ubuntu isn’t unusable… It does work. But I’ll usually recommend some gaming distro to gamers, LMDE or Debian to someone who just wants to use their computer as a tool, or sometimes the shiny newer distributions like CashyOS which are popular as of today for good reasons. I wouldn’t recommend Ubuntu, though unless that’s some kind of work-related requirement or you’ve been using it for a long time already.
Just use win11. Ignore the doomers
Of course, of course. Apart from being the most privacy respecting OS ever, Windows 11 is famous for never never ever having technical issues.
Dunno where this meme came from. Its well more secure than win 10 with TPM and the new boatloader something
