Yeah, no shit.
Now do America.
You are more likely to learn about Christianity from an atheist than a Christian
They think they benefit from the controlling systems and preserve their “right” to punch down on others. The same toxic patterns in many families, sports, frats, military, most supernatural groups and authoritarian politicians. All hierarchal, conditional belonging, stuck in dualism, obey those above until it’s your turn to punch down.
That is unhealthy and the real truth does set us free from all that nasty baggage, transcend the ego and actualize in this life. The harder path is to have real courage and integrity in life, critical thinking and not just do as told and conform for conditional belonging. It’s easier to stay in dualism as told and repeat the tribal indoctrination.
The inversion of values What’s presented as virtue: obedience, conformity, and shame-based compliance, is actually corrosion of the self. And what’s demonized: questioning, autonomy, authentic desire, is what genuine integrity requires.
This is the deepest form of control because it colonizes a person’s moral sense. You internalize shame not for doing harm, but for being yourself. You learn to call your own suppression “goodness.” The system doesn’t have to force you anymore; you police yourself.
Yeah, because Christian Nationalism has never been about Christianity, it’s about ethnic cleansing. They just wrapped their message in religion to make it more palatable.
People who identify as Christians are usually hypocrites. The majority are Christian in name only and only go to church on special occasions and maybe not even then. Most of them know very little about the Bible and actually reading the Bible is what turns people to atheism. I’m not sure I believe that there is anyone on earth who genuinely believes that the Bible is 100% factual and the word of God. it would be a terrifying thing to actually believe given how evil and inconsistent the God portrayed in the Bible is. People who claim to believe it pick and choose and make excuses for the parts they don’t like
It’s the response to be expected with the arrival of thousands of Muslim refugees; Islamic fundamentalists encourage Christian fundamentalists, and they all fuel each others fervor.
Abrahamics all share the same bloodthirsty hateful core, all inspired (and even commanded) by the Bible and Koran. Violence is the fundamental, intractable result.
(and both of these faiths are unfathomably wealthy, yet we still must pay their share of taxes)
See also Russell Brand only becoming “christian” when he gets accused of being a rapist.
its on “brand”
I am not religious, but I think the following phrase suits “the devil will quote scripture if it suits his purpose.”
I appreciate some religious people trying to distance themselves from the shitty ones, really, I do.
But people who do stuff that isn’t normal for a thing that only they believe in or know about still really shakes my faith in the social contract with them.
Add on to that that the bad people share the same beliefs makes predicting when evil behavior or shadowy fucked up evil behavior is gonna happen really difficult.
And then finally, that bad stuff happens overwhelmingly often from the people that believe that stuff… I have a hard time not believing they’re all bad. I know they probably aren’t, but the vast majority of them have been hostile and crazy and freak me out and I just stay away because I don’t need to deal with that and it’s just easier and safer for me to avoid them and warn others like me.
No offense, religgies. ✌️ 🕊️
My holy book says “you can rape the children of your enemy” and “beat your wife and your kids, but try not to do it too much” and “everyone else will suffer more than the human mind can conceive”
But I only practice that last one.
IMO, does not make someone “one of the good ones”, and I hope they take it to heart that I think they are no better than the overtly murderous and racist ones. Because they are separated but by the width of a hair from the pocket-foreskin of their savior.
I do try, yet struggle, with differentiating in nuance. I think it’s important to see the good in people, as well as the problems.
I don’t think I have exactly a utilitarian world view, but there’s definitely some aspects of that in my judgement in certain questions.
I used to be that way. Then I saw that the “good in people” who are able to “ignore the bad stuff” in that book, doesn’t change the fact that they are bombs that simply don’t happen to be exploding right now.
If you change to one of their “triggers” or if they begin to see you or the world in a way that triggers their religious fervor, they can pivot to being the horrors in an instant.
I hope you never have to watch the eyes of a loved one who’s always seemed to have a very good heart, glaze over as they switch gears to “you’re the devil and no action is off the table to ‘cleanse’ you”. Because they all have that switch. Every single one of them.
Friend. I am trans and have ADHD. Pfft, been there, needtogototherapyfor that.
Yes. And when this happens:
Add on to that that the bad people share the same beliefs makes predicting when evil behavior or shadowy fucked up evil behavior is gonna happen really difficult.
…the response is usually “well, they weren’t really christian.” The implication being “they based their morality on an unreachable source with divine authority and committed their lives to it in a BAD way, I’m doing it in a GOOD way.”
Magical thinking is deadly.
And ones who think that climate change is part of the “perfect plan” and they have a room in paradise later anyway, that’s deadly for all of us, and they vote against humanity. Brainwashed to vote that way, often to feel righteous about this or that lie, but it’s all propaganda and the world is worse off for their unhealthy policies and choices. It’s visible in quality of life regression.
Maybe religions need a revamping. A Reli-nissance. Like another breaking away abrahamic nu religion.
It wouldn’t be the end-all solution, but at least with a bandaid fix, more time could be bought, and it could align closer to reality?
… The more I think about that, though, the worse idea it seems. Because in order to grow a religion, you have to convince people of a delusion or make converts, which end up being even more zealous for said idea.
Call me Mother Mohiam Scmstr of the Bene Gesserit, cuz we planting millennia-plans to try and fix stuff and it’s gonna end poorly for everybody.
Because in order to grow a religion, you have to convince people of a delusion or make converts, which end up being even more zealous for said idea.
Exactly.
Why is reality not enough for people? Our universe is endlessly fascinating.
Why is reality not enough for people?
Hmmm probably pain and the vulnerability that opens from pain.
And ignorance. A lot of people just don’t know or were never shown what’s out there. A lot of religion teaches, either explicitly or implicitly, that asking questions is taboo. They just don’t know.
And also bias. If you teach somebody that taboo-fencing worldview from a young age, and they grow up with and inside of it, we know that there is a bias against new information. And while the universe is infinitely amazing, if you deny deny deny, and live in the world of stories and tradition, in Plato’s cave, outside would seem unsafe, hostile, and unpleasant, and thus the cycle of sharing a lifetime of what you know, continues.
“Not all Scotsmen”
Weird that apparently English churches make you more accepting of others and american churches introduce you to other members of the cult.
Some of the worst ones went to the New World to do what they wanted, and later they doubled down on the “inerrant word” stuff when new discoveries showed so many things they didn’t like, to try to keep their grip on weak authority, burn books and witches. Real truth invites scrutiny and updates with discovery. Faith is supposed to allow for the unknown and mystery, but they twisted it to require certainty as sign of virtue.
Gee, just like across the pond - who coulda guessed that a bunch of hypocritical haters didn’t actually follow the teachings they claim to support? It’s all in keeping with their “rules for thee, but not for me” bullshit.
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When Richard Dawkins called himself “culturally Christian” I threw up a little in my mouth.
Western civilization gets its guilt/innocence culture due in no small part to Xtian influence.
well, that would be most of the UK yeah ?
he’d the exchange gifts at “Christmas”, similarly at Easter, that sort of stuff, which is about my limit as well… rather than a fire cracker at Diwali and wash your hands in some cow urine ?
You seem like a genuinely horrible person.
What is horrible? Knowing the religious and cultural habits of others is horrible now? Why do you think it’s horrible?
Oh, I know why. It’s a rhetorical question. It’s because you’re horrible, and you only know horror, so you project it on all around you.
Anglo cultural habit understander has entered the chat.
