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  • That was in my OP though, that most games can be thought of as puzzle games with extra steps.

    I just don’t get where you’re getting “most games” from. If you would have phrased it like “many games can be viewed as puzzle games if you really think about it” you would have maybe had more people agree with you.

    I understand your reductive approach - it’s just that there are so many games it doesn’t apply to that I can never agree with “most games”.


  • If you have 2 minutes to solve a puzzle, is it no longer a puzzle game?

    Yes, clearly. It still behaves the way a puzzle - or puzzle game - would: knowledge of the solution trivialises the content. It’s just a puzzle game with a timer.

    If moving certain colored pieces requires a button combo or sequence, instead of a simple action, is this no longer a puzzle game?

    Depends on how the combo works. Is there an element of skill involved? If it’s like a rhythm game I would just call it a puzzle/rhythm game. Otherwise it’s just a puzzle game with extra steps.

    For me, if the main challenge of the game is figuring out the puzzle, then it’s mainly a puzzle game. If a measure of skill is required in the actual execution of beating the game it is no longer a pure puzzle game - but it can still contain puzzle elements of course.

    EDIT: I would agree that Tetris is not a puzzle game.

    Knowing the optimal thing to do can be seen as but a higher order puzzle.

    But knowing the right strategy and item build in DotA or LoL means fuck all if you can’t mechanically execute your hero properly, which - in my opinion - disqualifies them as “puzzle games”.


  • I think your definition of puzzle games is pretty flawed, to be honest. A puzzle does not provide additional difficulty once you’ve identified how the pieces go together, consequently a game should behave similarly to qualify as a puzzle game. The dichotomy is between conceptualisation versus execution.

    Puzzle games can be solved or “won” by identifying the solution. Not-puzzle games require execution.

    Guitar Hero and OSU! are not puzzle games. Games like RTSes and MOBAs can be argued to have puzzle elements in terms of strategy and meta, but knowing the optimal thing to do will still not give you victory which imo disqualifies them as outright puzzle games.




  • This is why the game lost me to be completely honest. I felt like the type of storytelling changed into more of a Sunday morning cartoon type vibe where the gang always wins and nobody ever dies.

    There was a point during the story (probably Post-ARR through the beginning of post-Stormblood patch quests?) where it felt like there were actual stakes and risks of consequences and the lives of beloved characters were actually in danger and I loved that.

    But instead more people seemed to come back from the dead than actually die.










  • Coelacanth@feddit.nutoGames@lemmy.worldTeam Fortress 2
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    26 days ago

    Nothing compares to getting into the flow when you’re playing Spy, I love some psychological warfare. Stringing together long sequences of backstabs and hide-and-seeks with the enemy team is so much fun.

    The knife that hides backstabbed corpses and instantly disguises you as them is also super fun to use.