Reminds me of the time I accidentally blocked someone behind me in the grocery store. Before I could say anthing, she shouted “Some people say excuse me!”

So I looked all confused and did sign language saying I couldn’t hear. I will never feel bad about it because I’m trash and divider woman can join my trash villain team.

What!? I’m going to send them a letter.

The overton window’s been hauled so far into the red sea, facts are now liberal.

If one were to check left-leaning publications’ fact checking records, they’d find a fuck ton of media labelled “Heavily biased” with spotless reports for authetic journalism. Take one tippy-toe step to the right of neutral and it gets awful hard to find the truth.

You were trying to convince me? I was already into it, hah, just looking for clarity. We were probably both just enjoying the debate (I hope.) I’m not trying to get anyone to switch sides.

Communities should be responsive to their userbase first and potential users second, so given that Lemmy isn’t inherently authoritarian, the real issue is image. Then again, since we know Reddit uses bots, they supposedly censor lemmyganda, and they shut down r/lemmy, I question how authentic those opinions are. I mainly hear it’s too complicated for people. But still, may the best platform win… or may people use whatever the hell they want because the fediverse is neat.

I have two communities on two platforms, I don’t see any way to hide my username. On the site I think they all show up as “mod,” but I can see all the mod names using lemmy with an app. But a user can still see what’s been removed or what community they’ve been banned from, so they could contact anyone in that community for an explanation. Or, failing that, an admin. It’s clunky and annoying, but doesn’t seem intentionally obfuscating. Looks like the next update is going to fix the notification thing anyway.

Regardless, best of luck to both of us. The fediverse is still fun.

Speak of the devil.

Hello, and thanks for the heads up.

Like I said, I see your side and I don’t agree with it, fundamentally. I only gave one hypothetical, btw, the rest was on the unreliability of votes as a metric. And I just don’t see the point on an open forum where anyone can respond at any time. Plus, there are reasons and recourse for mod actions, but no one has to justify a downvote.

Lemmy isn’t my tribe and Piefed isn’t my enemy, I’ll probably end up using both, or whatever ends up working better for me. The point of decentralization is having places like .today, .blahaj, .ml and .hexbear all doing governance however the hell they want, and being able to freely choose between them. An authoritarian platform would be obligatory, not federated with the competition, non-transparent, and centralize power to one or a few individuals. I don’t even think it’s possible for .ml to be authoritarian because participation is a choice.

However, I can see which mods performed what action and from what community, granted I use the web apps with more features. But I agree, not getting a notification should for sure be fixed and mod mail for big communities would be cool, and I wish there was a way to see deleted content, but the mod actions definitely aren’t a secret and anyone can send them a message about it.

Only the older models. The new ones have those big, sexy cow lips and are frankly out of my league.

Good thing I’m friends with everyone. Maybe the maga instance? I’ve heard people call beehaw and blahaj authoritarian, strangely.

I was responding to this comment:

Lemmy is FAR more known for authoritative censorship than PieFed.

I’m aware of the weirder instances. I was saying Lemmy itself isn’t authoritative.

I’m not opposed to the reputation thing because I think manipulation will end in false positives, but because there are better systems to moderate users than popularity. Without knowing the details of it, seems like a straight ratio would disproportionately affect people who don’t post as often. Some people have like 30 comments over a year, most with two or three votes. At that point it just takes one or two really unpopular opinions to shift that ratio drastically. But I donno, maybe there’s a threshold.

Even so, right now I don’t mind leaving my more unpopular comments up because the fruitcake of conversation is better with a few odd chunks, and it doesn’t affect anything. The threat of a reputation label, no matter how unlikely it is to get one, is an incentive to please the crowd, and I think making votes mean anything was part of the problem with reddit. I don’t want anything to get in the way of a passionate user and their rant, I’m here for the crazy.

Plus, In moderating my community I found a few people who just straight downvote everything. One of the accounts I checked had hundreds of hours of downvoting, like an insane amount of clicking arrows. Tens of thousands of downvotes. I don’t want any kind of system someone like that can influence.

Regardless, I respect your argument and your points are valid. We might have to agree to disagree, and maybe I’ll see you on piefed soon, despite my criticisms.

I would not fuck a chevy hhr. A subaru justy on the other hand…

The link doesn’t point to the instance, that’s the main blog/info site for piefed.

Either way my question about blocking was answered, now I know the block list isn’t baked into piefed itself.

I don’t agree with the low rep feature. There are rules, reporting and blocking available moderate communities. If one user doesn’t want to interact with another for non-rulebreaking reasons, they can block them, tag them, or just not respond. This just opens up new reasons to manipulate votes and downvote unpopular opinions.

I’m on Lemmy.Today, so I disagree that it’s authoritative. This instance doesn’t block/isn’t blocked by any instance, and allows all opinions that aren’t bigoted or insulting. There’s a whole spectrum of vibes across the instances but there’s nothing authoritative about the Lemmy ground rules.

Fair enough. Thanks for the info!

What if I want to get to know the good people of cum.salon, or yggdrasil…

I stand 100% corrected.

Thank you.

Disclaimer: I checked into piefed shit again and this unexpectedly turned into a whole thing.

I found this here https://join.piefed.social/features/ :

Default Blocks – Lemmygrad, Hexbear, and Nazi instances are blocked out of the box.

Does that mean they can’t be unblocked? And now I’m seeing:

Authoritarian Inoculation – Feature to reduce the impact of authoritarian propaganda.

That gave me pause, not because I want to promote authoritarian propaganda, but I’m concerned about someone else deciding what’s authoritarian.

And:

Low Reputation Indicator – Identifies consistently downvoted users.

This feels like karma. I’m alright with rule-breaking stuff getting deleted and people getting banned for bad behavior, but I don’t think people should be flagged for consistently going against the popular narrative. If they’re being assholes users can report them.

I have two very specific fantasies now.

I looked into making yet another account, this time on piefed, but didn’t like the automatic blocking of a few communities. Yeah, I’m a massive hypocrite because I argued hard for the defederation of maga.place from sh.itjust.works, but since coming to lemmy.today I don’t like the idea of automatic defederation where the users don’t have input.

Are there any piefed instances that don’t block anything? Or, is there a way for me to befriend everyone on my account?

I have a very specific fantasy that doesn’t happen in real life… yet.

I love the way you put it in that last line.

Early abrahamic philosophers go over the god question like this, basically saying that if God/Yahweh/Allah exists and is all-powerful and doesn’t stop suffering, then he can’t possibly be good. Other religious philosophers figured life is a soul building experience, therefore the net good of making positive choices is greater than if everything was perfect by default.

The way the problem is set up in Pluribus is insanely well done.

Tell me more.

Jesus Christ. Can you tell us more?

How did they fuck up dying?

Can you say where/what they called themselves?

What was the most batshit crazy part of it?