They still have elections, and instead worry about things like Five Year Plans and what goes on those.

In terns of PPP, China’s economic output eclipses Europe’s tremendously, and Europe outsourced their emissions to China after using the spoils of centuries of colonialism and imperialism to build up their clean energy sectors. China started off well behind Europe, and despite taking on the tremendous task of producing the bulk of the world’s goods, they are also taking on the tremendous task of making the world’s production green.

Europe being green because they don’t produce much and have more developed economies because of stealing from the global south for centuries is like a landlord suggesting that everyone become a landlord to lower working hours. It’s farcical egotism.

So how does it look if we break down where the many products China produces for others are actually sold?

Many countries at the top of that list outsourced a lot of their manufacturing and production to China, meaning they no longer create the industrial pollution locally to make the products actually consume. So their pollution is artificially lowered by that outsourcing while China’s is inflated.

Here is the Ginni link, it isn’t updated often but China isn’t exactly topping the list

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gini-coefficient-by-country

There are a lot of things China does badly but not the ones you mentioned.

You mean these flattening emissions while manufacturing most of the worlds finished goods along with a lot of the inputs for our manufacturing?

A lot of that pollution is Western pollution outsourced to China.

It’s like how California has a water crisis because its agriculture is supporting half the country, making their per capita water usage insane.

Comparing China to Europe is apples and oranges. Europe didn’t start the last century as a feudal backwater with 3 centuries a century of imperialists extracting its wealth and invading to get its citizens addicted to opium. China was unimaginably poor even 50 years ago. The fact that their economy is so strong now is frankly astounding, and a true testament to the effectiveness of socialism.

Yeah that’s true and I am not excusing the emissions, but they kinda do a dual purpose of manufacturing renewable energy hardware with fossil fuels, but then using those hardware for green energy transition. That strategy paid off this year, when Trump’s war in Iran caused global oil supply restrictions. With China being the biggest importer of oil, they stopped importing and drew from their own fossil fuel stockpiles they have been building up and used the green energy to fill the rest of the requirements. The country has been preparing for such scenario (which is why China is the pioneer in renewable energy) and it proved prescient.

China also at least tax their billionaires without fear of “leaving with their business”. The state also don’t bail out failed companies that completely messed up through the company’s own fault.

The inequality has led to crazy situations. For instance, people from cities are banned from buying property in rural areas because they would price locals out of the market. However this ban also extends to institutions, which means that effectively banks (being urban) are banned from offering mortgages on rural properties which creates real problems for the locals who then can’t afford the properties anyway.

It’s not just their long history, it’s their present ideology of Marxism-Leninism.

I’m gonna butcher this but I heard a quote once like “Countries think in decades, China thinks in centuries” and it feels true enough. China makes big plays that don’t pay off for a long time but when they do…

Trading private oligarchs for a one-party authoritarian state isn’t exactly a win though.

Especially when seeing what they’ve done to oppress Uyghurs, Tibetans, Hong Kong democratic protesters, etc.

It doesn’t also change the fact that there are many very rich people in China, and they more behave like Russia where if you play ball with the mafia state you’ll be rich; but if you don’t, there’s a window.

They don’t just disappear them, they hold trials and execute them for their crimes.

They usually come back, though, suddenly enlightened by the right path.

Is this a bad thing?

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It always does.

Western countries, American in particular, are very short term minded. China knows not to aggravate the very same people that give them consent and social contract to be in power in the first place.

… They are the #1 exporter to Israel and #1 supporter of Israel, they are just smart enough to shut their mouth. Everything Israel has done could be stopped by China in a day, but that doesnt make them profits. If China sanctions Israel, no more missiles fly, yet China doesn’t? … Why? Because it benefits them to allow the U.S. to show their true colors. So in truth, every life lost in Palestine is because China prefers the U.S. to look bad then keep kids alive.

They are prostitutes for Russia though.

This is not a China-praise thread, but an America-hate thread. It is being done by pointing out that an objectively shitty empire is somehow managing to do the obviously correct thing where the entire western world seems to have chosen social suicide.

I don’t know if you’re aware, but the Chinese have a leadership philosophy similar to the social contract called “mandate of heaven”. It’s been the cornerstone of Chinese leaders since the imperial dynastic days. A leader’s authority is supreme but only if they could sustain the well being of the population. The subjects are willing to look over some of the personal liberty being infringed, if the overall well being of the population is well looked after. China’s leading role in green energy did create jobs for many people. And not only that, it has a strategic purpose of weaning off of oil consumption for the country. The only reason that the global oil price did not shoot up to $200 as predicted this year is because China, the biggest oil importer, immediately stopped imports and their green energy kicked in to gear. Meanwhile, many countries are experiencing inflation and social unrest because they are too short sighted to have invested in renewable energy long ago.

Also weirdly enough, they are more capitalist than capitalist countries themselves. China do not bail out failed companies. Free market advocates will say if a company fails, it’s their fault. And yet, the same free market advocates will demand government bail out. I’m pretty sure not bailing out companies is a popular sentiment for the public.

Lastly, they have extensive capital flight controls and rein their billionaires. Meanwhile, many countries are beholden and afraid to tax the wealthy for fear that “they will leave with their wealth and businesses” (it’s not like the wealthy already did that when they offshored industries to poorer countries with very low worker rights and regulatory standards). Actually, I am more impressed with Vietnam because the government threatened to execute a billionaire who made money from defrauding clients, if that billionaire did not return half of the money. In the West, most only get a slap on the wrist with very lenient sentencing or no prosecution at all in the aftermath of the 2009 financial crisis.

Of course. Praising some of the good things China did does not mean overlooking what they’re doing to Uyghurs.