She didn’t commit voting fraud. She granted access to voting data to people who should not have had that access.
Tina Peters was convicted of three counts of attempting to influence a public official; conspiracy to commit criminal impersonation; official misconduct; violation of duty; and failure to comply with an order of the Secretary of State. The jury acquitted Peters of three counts: conspiracy to commit criminal impersonation, criminal impersonation and identity theft.
No problem with ID for voting, just have to make sure they’re accessible by all at no cost (both time and monetary).
Republicans proposals for voter ID so far have been riddled with ID exclusions that, while never admitted to, would exclude a large part of the population that they don’t want to be allowed to vote. Either include more types of ID or make sure to provide everyone with a voter id for free before the election.
My state doesn’t even require one but they send a little paper one every time I update my registration. I imagine something like that could be used? Homeless could use a library or shelter as an address for them?
There would probably be some asshat who would try and snag other’s though.
So yeah. Probably best to just stay without.
Tampering with voting machines will not be solved by voter ID cards… This is an unrelated discussion. For my thoughts on voter ID cards, see @[email protected]’s response
It’s normal to require an ID card in EU countries to vote, but e.g. in the UK they never asked for it, as long as my name was on the list (there are no national ID cards there).
But you have to register beforehand, right? And use some form of ID or a Name+address combo that makes it impossible to impersonate you to hijack your vote.
The United States is one of the few democracies in the world where the government does
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In the UK, we are required to show our legal ID to vote (The tories brought it in a few years ago). Our driving licences are national ID cards, practically.
For many decades North Dakota didn’t even have voter registration. In 2012 it was alleged that nine individuals were suspect, so the state finally passed a voter registration law in 2013. But none of those 2012 individuals were charged. So then ask yourself, why did they pass the law? Well, maybe they passed the law so they could disenfranchise college kids and Native Americans. Actually, that’s not hypothetical. That’s a fact. Native communities had to bring legal challenges against the new law because they were facing difficulty voting.
I think it’s also helpful to look at historical examples. When MLK was locked up in Birmingham Jail, there were counties in Alabama that were majority black and yet no black people could vote. Imagine that. Voting laws being crafted to keep minorities out.
So you keep pushing for your voter ID, but if you can’t figure out how to keep your state from becoming the next North Dakota or Alabama, it probably will.
So now can we admit that voting fraud is a thing? Can we get voter ID?
She didn’t commit voting fraud. She granted access to voting data to people who should not have had that access.
Tina Peters was convicted of three counts of attempting to influence a public official; conspiracy to commit criminal impersonation; official misconduct; violation of duty; and failure to comply with an order of the Secretary of State. The jury acquitted Peters of three counts: conspiracy to commit criminal impersonation, criminal impersonation and identity theft.
https://coloradosun.com/2024/08/12/tina-peters-verdict/
No problem with ID for voting, just have to make sure they’re accessible by all at no cost (both time and monetary).
Republicans proposals for voter ID so far have been riddled with ID exclusions that, while never admitted to, would exclude a large part of the population that they don’t want to be allowed to vote. Either include more types of ID or make sure to provide everyone with a voter id for free before the election.
My state doesn’t even require one but they send a little paper one every time I update my registration. I imagine something like that could be used? Homeless could use a library or shelter as an address for them?
There would probably be some asshat who would try and snag other’s though. So yeah. Probably best to just stay without.
For that, you need to make ID mandatory and easily accessible first. Otherwise it’s just voter suppression.
Tampering with voting machines will not be solved by voter ID cards… This is an unrelated discussion. For my thoughts on voter ID cards, see @[email protected]’s response
Republicans: dishonestly conflating election fraud with voter fraud since who knows how long.
It’s normal to require an ID card in EU countries to vote, but e.g. in the UK they never asked for it, as long as my name was on the list (there are no national ID cards there).
I was baffled when I heard that in the US, you can’t just go somewhere and vote. Like, it really is that simple here.
But you have to register beforehand, right? And use some form of ID or a Name+address combo that makes it impossible to impersonate you to hijack your vote.
https://archive.fairvote.org/rtv/Universal Voter Registration-4-21-09.pdf
In the UK, we are required to show our legal ID to vote (The tories brought it in a few years ago). Our driving licences are national ID cards, practically.
and ID cards were revoked again https://www.gov.uk/identitycards
PS: ok, you’re right, “some” ID is required since 2023 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65599380 which is a pickle if you don’t drive or have a passport.
In South Africa it’s the same. Each person gets a ID card when they turn 16. You don’t need to pay for your first one.
You need to register as a voter with your ID card and present it when voting.
As long as they’re for maga officials sure. They seem to be doing most of the voter fraud afterall
For many decades North Dakota didn’t even have voter registration. In 2012 it was alleged that nine individuals were suspect, so the state finally passed a voter registration law in 2013. But none of those 2012 individuals were charged. So then ask yourself, why did they pass the law? Well, maybe they passed the law so they could disenfranchise college kids and Native Americans. Actually, that’s not hypothetical. That’s a fact. Native communities had to bring legal challenges against the new law because they were facing difficulty voting.
I think it’s also helpful to look at historical examples. When MLK was locked up in Birmingham Jail, there were counties in Alabama that were majority black and yet no black people could vote. Imagine that. Voting laws being crafted to keep minorities out.
So you keep pushing for your voter ID, but if you can’t figure out how to keep your state from becoming the next North Dakota or Alabama, it probably will.