Probably unpopular opinion, but both sides are wrong here. Not necessarily to the same degree. As usual with any issue that is presented as binary, black vs white, with nothing in between.
Of course, vaccines in general are incredibly helpful. A lot of us wouldn’t be here today if we weren’t vaccinated for various diseases as children.
However, that alone should not be the sole focus of the discussion. It ignores a lot of crucial context.
Vaccines are safe and effective because they go through extensive testing that usually takes years. During the pandemic, at least one major company - namely Pfizer - skipped most of that process, and then lied about results. Not to save lives, but to make money. To be the first to get that government contract.
Regardless of the entire pro- vs anti-vax discourse, this is something Pfizer should be held accountable for. People died needlessly because the CEO wanted another yacht. And because some governments let him.
The problem on the pro-vax side is that people are largely ignoring that, and so are essentially advocating for corporate interests. The anti-vax’s side’s problem is more obvious, so no need to repeat it.
Both sides are blindly arguing about one thing while ignoring everything else. As is usual with public discourse in 2026. That’s what the elites want. People arguing whether vaccines work or not, instead of holding companies like Pfizer accountable for profiting off a pandemic, and putting those profits before people’s lives.
This wasn’t “vaccines work” this was vaccine misinformation prettied up with “vaccines work”.
The idea that a vaccine can be hand waved through the checks and such out in place to ensure safety standards are met, by simply lying about the numbers, is pure fiction and meant to spread the idea that vaccines are a Wild West.
You can disagree with what I said, but I quite literally took an entire paragraph to make sure it’s clear that I’m not denying vaccines work, or that they work quite well.
Western internet discourse lately is often insane like this. Even in /science/ most people would just immediately go into personal attacks instead of trying to destroy their opponent with numbers and references to quality research.
The part they skipped was the whole waiting ages before even getting a response from regulating bodies thing. They got fast tracked on all the paperwork so they could get to trials quicker. There was tons of money and political will behind getting the vaccines tested ASAP.
The thing that it was never tested for (at least when released) was transmission prevention. Nobody ever claimed it was tested for transmission prevention. It was tasted for safety and efficacy in preventing severe COVID in the person receiving the vaccine. Later studies confirmed that for most variants, it also reduced transmission rates, but for Omicron in particular it only reduced them for a short period after the shot. That testing is what people were yelling about 4 years ago. And nobody lied about it, despite the claims that are circulating.
I actually never heard about this one, so can’t really comment.
I was mostly referring to the following two things:
Number of ‘adverse reactions’ that wasn’t disclosed until long after vaccinations
Pfizer and FDA agreeing to publicize the clinical trial data very slowly over decades, until about year 2100
Now, taking a closer look at both, it seems I may have read misinformation and gravely misunderstood the situation. For some reason, even people with PhDs in medicine are spreading what now looks to me like false claims online, which is troubling.
First one - ‘adverse reactions’ seems to be a pointless statistic, since it’s all kinds of adverse reactions, regardless of nature or link to the vaccine. So now I’m not sure why it’s even included in the documents. In any case, I can’t find any source for links between Pfizer’s vaccines and these reactions, so I’ll have to assume they never occurred or were negligible.
Second - I’m a little confused here. Many sources claim Pfizer’s clinical trial data was going to be published so slowly (taking several decades in total) due to FDA’s FOIA office only having 10 staff members.
Now that sounds odd. Shouldn’t all these documents be published ASAP? Surely it’s not standard procedure to publish half of the data long after everyone affected is dead? And in the end, they did publish it all almost immediately after a court order, so it looks like it was entirely possible.
All in all, there are some circumstances that look suspicious, which is just enough to form believable-sounding, but probably false theories. Especially by medical doctors, who are supposed to be the source of truthfull information.
While I can’t say I’m 100% convinced Pfizer did nothing wrong - I also can’t say there’s nearly enough evidence to claim it did. Admittedly, I should have read more on the subject before posting. I’ll definitely have to review my usual sources for presence of misinformation. I’ll also happily read more if anyone has anything good to share.
No, they fucking didn’t. The skipped parts of the vaccine development process with Operation Warp Speed was just bureucratic hurdle. Clinical trials were NOT skipped.
I don’t believe there were any deaths from the Pfizer vaccine in the United States. The only deaths I know of are from the Janssen vaccine, which was pulled off from the market rather quickly.
Probably unpopular opinion, but both sides are wrong here. Not necessarily to the same degree. As usual with any issue that is presented as binary, black vs white, with nothing in between.
Of course, vaccines in general are incredibly helpful. A lot of us wouldn’t be here today if we weren’t vaccinated for various diseases as children.
However, that alone should not be the sole focus of the discussion. It ignores a lot of crucial context.
Vaccines are safe and effective because they go through extensive testing that usually takes years. During the pandemic, at least one major company - namely Pfizer - skipped most of that process, and then lied about results. Not to save lives, but to make money. To be the first to get that government contract.
Regardless of the entire pro- vs anti-vax discourse, this is something Pfizer should be held accountable for. People died needlessly because the CEO wanted another yacht. And because some governments let him.
The problem on the pro-vax side is that people are largely ignoring that, and so are essentially advocating for corporate interests. The anti-vax’s side’s problem is more obvious, so no need to repeat it.
Both sides are blindly arguing about one thing while ignoring everything else. As is usual with public discourse in 2026. That’s what the elites want. People arguing whether vaccines work or not, instead of holding companies like Pfizer accountable for profiting off a pandemic, and putting those profits before people’s lives.
Which, ironically, is a lie. Spread by the far-right antivaxx crowd.
https://www.factcheck.org/2022/10/scicheck-its-not-news-nor-scandalous-that-pfizer-trial-didnt-test-transmission/
Uh, gonna need a source on “skipping and lying” because those aren’t things that just get hand waved by regulating bodies.
Source: he’s an antivaxxer but doesn’t want to be immediately laughed out of the room
Damn, even saying ‘yep, vaccines work’ gets you an anti-vax label in 2026. Crazy times.
This wasn’t “vaccines work” this was vaccine misinformation prettied up with “vaccines work”.
The idea that a vaccine can be hand waved through the checks and such out in place to ensure safety standards are met, by simply lying about the numbers, is pure fiction and meant to spread the idea that vaccines are a Wild West.
You can disagree with what I said, but I quite literally took an entire paragraph to make sure it’s clear that I’m not denying vaccines work, or that they work quite well.
There’s absolutely nothing stopping you holding both positions at once.
Western internet discourse lately is often insane like this. Even in /science/ most people would just immediately go into personal attacks instead of trying to destroy their opponent with numbers and references to quality research.
That’s not an unpopular opinion. That’s a truckload of bullshit with no sources or coherency.
The part they skipped was the whole waiting ages before even getting a response from regulating bodies thing. They got fast tracked on all the paperwork so they could get to trials quicker. There was tons of money and political will behind getting the vaccines tested ASAP.
The thing that it was never tested for (at least when released) was transmission prevention. Nobody ever claimed it was tested for transmission prevention. It was tasted for safety and efficacy in preventing severe COVID in the person receiving the vaccine. Later studies confirmed that for most variants, it also reduced transmission rates, but for Omicron in particular it only reduced them for a short period after the shot. That testing is what people were yelling about 4 years ago. And nobody lied about it, despite the claims that are circulating.
I actually never heard about this one, so can’t really comment.
I was mostly referring to the following two things:
Now, taking a closer look at both, it seems I may have read misinformation and gravely misunderstood the situation. For some reason, even people with PhDs in medicine are spreading what now looks to me like false claims online, which is troubling.
First one - ‘adverse reactions’ seems to be a pointless statistic, since it’s all kinds of adverse reactions, regardless of nature or link to the vaccine. So now I’m not sure why it’s even included in the documents. In any case, I can’t find any source for links between Pfizer’s vaccines and these reactions, so I’ll have to assume they never occurred or were negligible.
Second - I’m a little confused here. Many sources claim Pfizer’s clinical trial data was going to be published so slowly (taking several decades in total) due to FDA’s FOIA office only having 10 staff members.
Now that sounds odd. Shouldn’t all these documents be published ASAP? Surely it’s not standard procedure to publish half of the data long after everyone affected is dead? And in the end, they did publish it all almost immediately after a court order, so it looks like it was entirely possible.
All in all, there are some circumstances that look suspicious, which is just enough to form believable-sounding, but probably false theories. Especially by medical doctors, who are supposed to be the source of truthfull information.
While I can’t say I’m 100% convinced Pfizer did nothing wrong - I also can’t say there’s nearly enough evidence to claim it did. Admittedly, I should have read more on the subject before posting. I’ll definitely have to review my usual sources for presence of misinformation. I’ll also happily read more if anyone has anything good to share.
No, they fucking didn’t. The skipped parts of the vaccine development process with Operation Warp Speed was just bureucratic hurdle. Clinical trials were NOT skipped.
I don’t believe there were any deaths from the Pfizer vaccine in the United States. The only deaths I know of are from the Janssen vaccine, which was pulled off from the market rather quickly.
You’re stupid
Don’t breed
One quick look at your profile shows that you’d do well to follow your own advice.
Do you have a crush on me?
It sounds like you have a crush on me.