Herd immunity is a real effect. If vaccines help you not catch the disease, then an unvaccinated person is less likely to catch the disease in a population with a high vaccination rate. Because the disease doesn’t spread as much.
If you can lower the infection rate so that on average, each sick person results in less than one other sick person, infections die out instead of growing. That is “herd immunity.”
Covid has evolved to barely provide any immunity. Up to 70 percent up to 9 months. People catch it several times a year and long covid is as much a risk as it ever was.
I’ll grant you the effect is less because of the mutations (and I would be interested in seeing a paper about it, I might have to look up some research), but it also doesn’t help that the vaccination rate is and has been so low because of misinformation, to say the least.
I believe in the quoted piece they refer to an idea that people who are both in high risk group but also can’t take the vaccine because of their conditions will have it harder because of mutations happening to the virus in people who decided not to take it but have it easy and develop natural immunity to it.
No one quoted any piece. Heard immunity is a fairly simple concept about preventing the spread by having most people immune to it, so babies and others who can’t be vaccinated are unlikely to ever be exposed to it.
It’s not about mutations, but it is another issue if you allow something to spread it will have more opportunities to mutate and become more virulent
Even if a leaky vaccine leads to a more virulent strain (it didn’t for covid as far as I know), if heard immunity is achieved that makes it hard to spread it might never make it to a vulnerable individual.
Tinfoil analogy was irrelevant to original topic and my response is also irrelevant to original topic, and instead addresses foolishness of tinfoil meme in this day and age. Anyway, here you go:
It’s not a question of some global conspiracy theory, scientists might themself not be aware of potential problems of these vaccines
I don’t have access to DARPA’s nanoparticles and I don’t think those scientists would agree to let me take their EEG to try to decipher it, and there’s no point in doing that because it’s not even a question of legitimacy of individual research
Oh… so scientists themselves might not be aware of potential problems with the vaccines, but complete fucking morons such as yourself and that worm-brained idiot in front of the US health department, who know NOTHING about the subject (not even the most basic scientific concepts) are supposed to be the ones who know?
I didn’t say I know about problems that scientists don’t know about. I’m saying that I don’t want to take the risks because I consider it too early to be confident they’re safe for me. And there’s been way too many people that got weird blood clots, cancers and what not soon after taking the jab, that needs to be sorted out as well.
The issue is you’re comparing a small manageable risk to a significant unmanageable one. The data is in. The time has passed. You had the potential to be somewhat correct once, but with millions of doses of the vaccine now distributed we now have overwhelming evidence that it leads to more positive health outcomes vs contracting the virus. A short search of academic studies will provide you significant data in this regard should you wish you validate.
How is it manageable from individual pov? It’s more like a lottery. Maybe from big numbers pov it reduces mortality over those small time spans that were studied. There’s still no data for really long time spans, because not even 10 years have passed, and the worst case scenarios for person outside of high risk group seems to be worse than contracting virus.
I feel so guilty, I will totally buy into this blatant propaganda now. Or not.
Herd immunity is a real effect. If vaccines help you not catch the disease, then an unvaccinated person is less likely to catch the disease in a population with a high vaccination rate. Because the disease doesn’t spread as much.
If you can lower the infection rate so that on average, each sick person results in less than one other sick person, infections die out instead of growing. That is “herd immunity.”
Covid has evolved to barely provide any immunity. Up to 70 percent up to 9 months. People catch it several times a year and long covid is as much a risk as it ever was.
No herd immunity.
I’ll grant you the effect is less because of the mutations (and I would be interested in seeing a paper about it, I might have to look up some research), but it also doesn’t help that the vaccination rate is and has been so low because of misinformation, to say the least.
I believe in the quoted piece they refer to an idea that people who are both in high risk group but also can’t take the vaccine because of their conditions will have it harder because of mutations happening to the virus in people who decided not to take it but have it easy and develop natural immunity to it.
No one quoted any piece. Heard immunity is a fairly simple concept about preventing the spread by having most people immune to it, so babies and others who can’t be vaccinated are unlikely to ever be exposed to it.
It’s not about mutations, but it is another issue if you allow something to spread it will have more opportunities to mutate and become more virulent
Even if a leaky vaccine leads to a more virulent strain (it didn’t for covid as far as I know), if heard immunity is achieved that makes it hard to spread it might never make it to a vulnerable individual.
Mind-reading been real for decades btw, there are like dozens of ways to do it at this point. Starting from capturing and decoding brain waves and ending with injecting nano particles into blood that go into brain.
So why not read the minds of scientists to see if the vaccines are legit or not?
Tinfoil analogy was irrelevant to original topic and my response is also irrelevant to original topic, and instead addresses foolishness of tinfoil meme in this day and age. Anyway, here you go:
Oh… so scientists themselves might not be aware of potential problems with the vaccines, but complete fucking morons such as yourself and that worm-brained idiot in front of the US health department, who know NOTHING about the subject (not even the most basic scientific concepts) are supposed to be the ones who know?
Yeah, you can go right ahead and fuck off.
I didn’t say I know about problems that scientists don’t know about. I’m saying that I don’t want to take the risks because I consider it too early to be confident they’re safe for me. And there’s been way too many people that got weird blood clots, cancers and what not soon after taking the jab, that needs to be sorted out as well.
“the jab” okay found the american, republican, christianity influenced dude.
I’m ETL (english third language, not even second), I pick words I read on the internet.
The issue is you’re comparing a small manageable risk to a significant unmanageable one. The data is in. The time has passed. You had the potential to be somewhat correct once, but with millions of doses of the vaccine now distributed we now have overwhelming evidence that it leads to more positive health outcomes vs contracting the virus. A short search of academic studies will provide you significant data in this regard should you wish you validate.
How is it manageable from individual pov? It’s more like a lottery. Maybe from big numbers pov it reduces mortality over those small time spans that were studied. There’s still no data for really long time spans, because not even 10 years have passed, and the worst case scenarios for person outside of high risk group seems to be worse than contracting virus.
Get off the computer and go live in the real world.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352250X22000719