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Avoiding US goods and services – from tech to whisky to air travel – has forced many to find a new way of living
This week the US imposed 50% tariffs on US$20bn (£15bn) of Canadian goods, and Mark Carney, the country’s prime minister, has vowed to match them “dollar for dollar” after the collapse of trade talks between the two countries last weekend. Donald Trump retaliated on Thursday by ordering the federal government to rename Lake Ontario to Lake America.
Such actions have added fuel to a widespread boycott of US products and services by Canadians that began early last year in response to the president’s trade war and threats to annex his northern neighbour.
More than 3,500 people from across Canada shared with the Guardian via an online callout how they have made changes to their lives in response to the US administration’s political and economic stance. Many expressed deep anger and sadness, but remained resolute that this was now a new way of living.
It’s more than that for me. Many products I bring into Canada from Europe come into the country via a warehouse or subsidiary in the US before landing in Canada.
I’ve stopped importing their products even though they’re not American.
I want to source their products direct or work with them to build out distribution here in Canada.
We need to change the worldview that America is the centre piece. Their fascists and what we’re seeing is a symptom of what America really is. Boycott them.
I hope very much that the world can take this orange opportunity to really destroy the notion of American exceptionalism through independence and cooperation. I truly believe having it as a founding cornerstone of our national identity is at the heart of most of our problems.
Yeah, I’m annoyed at a lot of transformed food products saying “made in Canada from imported produce”. Basically American diarrhea spreaders. Ain’t buying food that will kill us.
I’ve successfully cut the use of nearly every American product or service since last year. Genuinely worth it and enriches your life. You just realize how enshitified everything is.
I don’t think the American public has understood how these are permanent lifestyle changes. Any trade agreement, getting alcohol back on the shelves, will make these people change that. Tourists are gone. People will not cross the border with the risk of being sent to concentration camps in chains over minor bullshit.
Yup. I want a Canadian branded phone. I’m looking at a Motorola phone. I’ve heard they have a version coming out with grapheneOS that’s open sourced and was started by a Canadian.
Right now, I’m still stuck with a lot of US tech that I’m chained to. I’m looking to unchain that tech, but those are harder to come by.
I do have a smart watch though. It’s called UNA Watch. It’s the first user repairable / replaceable modular watch and it’s designed and produced (I believe) in house in Scotland. It’s still early development, but I’m hopeful it’ll help unshackle more US tech off my body.
Motorola/Lenovo gets a close to pass for me for being a Chinese/American conglomerate. Lenovo is preferable to HP or Dell in my eyes. Especially because of BDS.
For phones I buy from Nothing/CMF. British company, made mostly in China and India I believe. I suspect they might drop a Graphene compatible device sometime. It seems to fit their brand.
Thanks for the watch recommendation. Ill look that up!
There’s also Fairphone, which I think is Dutch
Conceptually and culturally I agree that this should be happening, but for reasons I can’t understand, the numbers and data hardly show a drop.
Are you sure about that? Every metric I’ve seen show considerable reductions and returning growth is relatively minuscule.
A 25% drop is quite catastrophic for an entire sector like tourism.
https://fortune.com/article/how-are-canadians-snubbing-us-travel-tariffs-tourism/
There are select articles you can find like this, especially about Las Vegas specifically, but I find them to be unconvincing clickbait. The FIFA World Cup and the upcoming Olympics were and are projected to still be packed full of visitors. It’s very disheartening. It seems to me like most people still take the “yeah but it won’t happen to me” attitude toward the stupid fascist thugs.
I think you’re both correct - Canadian tourism is down dramatically, but overall tourism is, inexplicably, holding or recovering. All the figures I can find for tourism show that thus far 2026 is on track to meet the projected ~6% recovery vs 2025. It makes sense I guess - for example, fucking Dubai is still a major tourist destination.
Would make sense, if there’s a decline, prices will drop and attract new people from elsewhere.
Data shows something like a 30% drop in Canadian visits to the US, which is wild when you consider that ‘visits’ number includes things like work crossings for those who work across the border.
CBC has done a whole bunch of articles looking at CBSA stats.
Yeeep. Unfortunately, Lemmy is tiny and really doesn’t have a diverse collection of viewpoints - what we do here just can’t be taken as an indication of broad cultural trends. Everyone talking about permanent lifestyle changes and similar in response to this are totally correct about themselves, but if history has shown us anything it’s that People will stop caring as soon as it’s out of the news cycle. There hasn’t been any big news about deportations or similar, and as a result tourism is slowly climbing back up. Hell, the World Cup in the US was the most attended world cup in history - iirc by almost +50%
I find it very weird that trade between Canada and Europe is going through USA.
Isn’t it possible to have more efficient shipping route to Canada than USA?
It’s really not weird at all. It’s the same in EU. If I order something from another continent. Chances are pretty high it’s going to go through Germany before making its way up here to Sweden.
Canada is 40 million to the US 350. So it makes more sense to have things go through the country where your biggest market is, and have it distributed out from there.
Ofc I’m just speaking very broadly. There’s a difference if you import directly yourself, or if they’re going through a Canadian vendor
No in Europe most goes through Netherlands because it’s the best geographical placement. Especially for Germany that is the biggest market of a single country.
It doesn’t go to Norway which is further away, or Spain which is also further away. It is going the most practical route which is often through the Netherlands.
Seem to me that goods going between Canada and Europe going over USA is sending it on a detour, that makes the shipping route longer. Having it go over USA first is like having it go over Mexico, except less extreme.
It depends on what it is you’re buying and how it’s getting there. If I’m ordering something from China. I’m not gonna get it shipped. Because that will take ages. It’ll go on a transport plane. And every single time I’ve ordered things, they’ve been flown to Germany first.
Items being shipped between Europe and NA is not going on a detour to land in the US. Especially not if it’s imported by a vendor. The vendor will pick the cheapest option. And trucking through Canadian wilderness isn’t it.
The vast majority of long distance goods is moved by containers. Because it’s the most effective, not fastest, but effective way of travel.
Which is a big reason for warehouses existing, so you can buy your Chinese product. But it only needs to be send from a warehouse in Cologne, rather than as an individually shipped product from Shenzhen
Buddy. I don’t need you to try and guess how my items arrive. I already know this. It’s literally printed on the package.
It may be more effective to store it in a warehouse somewhere in cologne and use a vendor that sources it from there.
But from what I’ve seen, it’s cheaper to buy it from China directly, and have it “shipped” (flown) over. Which is why I do it.
Takes a few days extra. But you’ll pay less.
I don’t know, but what could be at play is the capacity of Montreal and Halifax (I don’t think there is a third port). And what these ports are set up to send/receive.
It depends on how exactly they’re doing it.
If the shipments are treated as “bonded shipments” in the US (meaning that they’re in the US only in transit to a final destination outside the US - which in this case is Canada), then they’re not considered as imported into the US and are instead treated as as imported directly into Canada, even though they travel to the US on their way to Canada. In this case it can make sense to import large consignments to, for example, a single port in the US by ship as one or more full shipping container loads and un-bundle it there into two parts, one that’s officially imported into the US and another which is a bonded shipment which travels by road to Canada and which is officially imported into Canada (so, for example, US-Canada tariffs have no bearing in that)
On the other hand, officially importing something into the US to then afterwards officially export from the US and importing into Canada wouldn’t really make sense IMHO because it would possibly pay Duty on entering the US and then again on entering Canada. I mean, maybe they did it like this because NAFTA meant there was no Duty from the US to Canada for such products, but as things stand now it’s a risky setup if not already a problem.
On eBay I bought my son a Pokemon game that was in HK. Consider me surprised when I had to pay duties for it to come from America to Canada. Paid an additional 15$. Why could it not ship direct to Canada? Lord knows.
It has to do with rail connections and port capacities. If stuff comes in by ports, even air freight, rail hubs in the Eastern US are more central.
Otherwise it has to come into the port of Montreal, inland ports beyond the Seaway don’t accommodate every ship size and are lower volume.
In Ontario, I believe it’ll be more likely for products to come into Canada through both Montreal and Eastern US ports. Whereas in Quebec it’s usually not the case. New York and Montreal are similar distances to Toronto by rail.
It’s probably something you have to consider via carriers.
The vast majority of canada’s population lives within 100km of the border, so if you already have logistics centres close-ish to the border, it may be cheaper to do so through your existing infra
But if the shipping is more efficient to Canada, shouldn’t it go to USA over Canada instead, using the same infrastructure to distribute it further?