Family members were in tears during the hearing at Cheshire Coroner’s Court as Coroner Jacqueline Devonish announced that she found Lucy Harrison died due to unlawful killing on the grounds of gross negligence manslaughter.
The coroner said: "To shoot her through the chest whilst she was standing would have required him to have been pointing the gun at his daughter, without checking for bullets, and pulling the trigger.
When called to court to testify coroners do absolutely give their opinion about the deaths.
Also reminds me of Gary Webb’s coronor saying there is a “distinct possibility” that someone could shoot themselves twice in the head. And he wasn’t even in court
I don’t understand what this is intended to prove?
Coroners can have opinions but @[email protected] is correct they don’t determine whether its lawful or not… that is literally the point of the court case.
Words mean different things in different contexts. A legal finding is different than a coroner’s findings and a coroner’s opinion is different than a judges legal opinion. A coroner saying something is unlawful is different than a judge saying something is unlawful.
Okay so what point are you making? The coroner didn’t determine lawfulness, the court did. He just offered his opinion, as coroners do, about the actions that killed the woman.
They kinda do. There are five possible causes of death: homicide, suicide, accidental, natural causes, and unknown. All deaths not determined to be accidental or natural require a police investigation.
Coroners don’t determine whether a death is lawful or not…
Yeah, still. Coroner determines cause of death and manner of death. Not what the charges are.
This is a statement from a court case though.
When called to court to testify coroners do absolutely give their opinion about the deaths.
Also reminds me of Gary Webb’s coronor saying there is a “distinct possibility” that someone could shoot themselves twice in the head. And he wasn’t even in court
I don’t understand what this is intended to prove?
Coroners can have opinions but @[email protected] is correct they don’t determine whether its lawful or not… that is literally the point of the court case.
Words mean different things in different contexts. A legal finding is different than a coroner’s findings and a coroner’s opinion is different than a judges legal opinion. A coroner saying something is unlawful is different than a judge saying something is unlawful.
This kind of thing tends to work completely differently depending upon municipality, county, and state.
And in Texas the coroner doesn’t. They determine cause of death.
A DA or jury determines lawfulness.
Okay so what point are you making? The coroner didn’t determine lawfulness, the court did. He just offered his opinion, as coroners do, about the actions that killed the woman.
They kinda do. There are five possible causes of death: homicide, suicide, accidental, natural causes, and unknown. All deaths not determined to be accidental or natural require a police investigation.
That still isn’t a determination of lawfulness. Homicide just means a person killed a person.
The DA or jury determines lawfulness.