Which attempts have been similar to the EU, and not just conquests? The closest I can think of is maybe the Habsburg dynasty, and I think we can agree that that had its own unique issues going on
Probably yes, but I don’t know enough about the Hansa to weigh in. But from what I can remember conquest wasn’t a part of it. It was a trade and defense arrangement that you joined voluntarily.
If it ends up with a president then it’s fucked. Single point of failure. A honeycomb structure of separate cells is much stronger and harder to take over, unlike a blob
Doubt. Every attempt in history to centralise power in Europe has failed
Which attempts have been similar to the EU, and not just conquests? The closest I can think of is maybe the Habsburg dynasty, and I think we can agree that that had its own unique issues going on
Napoleon is the closest. A lot of the legal, judicial, and administrative civil code remains today.
In what fucking world was Napoleon’s attempt not a series of conquests?
European history all is just conquests
…so there has not been an attempt like the EU
The Hansa was something of a proto-EU.
That’s an interesting comparison I hadn’t considered, but isn’t it more like the current EU than the hypothetical federalised EU under discussion?
Probably yes, but I don’t know enough about the Hansa to weigh in. But from what I can remember conquest wasn’t a part of it. It was a trade and defense arrangement that you joined voluntarily.
There has. The European Communities and the EEC. Neither were attempts to create a federation like US, China or Russia…
Mate the EEC was one of the European Communities, and it ended because it became part of the EU. That’s not a separate attempt. That’s the same one.
Lol no. The treaties of Maastricht, Nice and Lisbon turned a trade bloc into a political one.
That’s centralising power, and it always fails.
A federation can have different levels of centralisation.
If it ends up with a president then it’s fucked. Single point of failure. A honeycomb structure of separate cells is much stronger and harder to take over, unlike a blob