Massive warmongering country which doesn’t invest in educating, feeding, or providing safety or healthcare for its citizens and doesn’t invest in its own infrastructure decides to switch to a limited supply of energy that makes people unhealthy and tries to deny said energy to other countries in order to harm and literally torture them, versus
Much more massive country with a history of innovating and pulling a billion people out of poverty(and not just the standard of that first country, but actually the more massive country’s much higher standard for poverty), which is doing a lot to invest in educating, feeding, and providing safety and healthcare for its own systems and investing massively in its own infrastructure and is quickly switching to solar and other renewable forms of energy and is quickly using dedesertification to try to stop and reverse the spread of deserts and turn them back into forests and vegetation, and is providing energy to a country that said first country is trying to deprive.
China has a long history of espionage and theft to jumpstart many of their technologies someone else developed
Well yeah, like south korea before them, and japan before korea, and america before japan, and europe before america… basically every country that has been a manufacturing powerhouse at some point “stole” designs then added their own improvements
If espionage and theft jumpstarting technologies are not “innovative”, I’ve got some news for you about the “innovative” examples of “good” capitalist businesses in the US. Who, by sheer coincidence, peddle the idea that Chinese industry is somehow “less advanced” than ours, yet who we still rely on to make “our” high tech commodities.
And is this soft power? We aren’t watching Chinese films and blanket idolizing Chinese culture, like with Japan. No, this is hard power in a sense, of material support. It just looks weird to you since you’ve only ever seen hard power in the form of existential domination.
Literally EVERYTHING developed in the United States was innovated by an employee and then the value of that innovation was stolen by their employer.
The United States doesn’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to claiming to innovate. The people who do the actual innovation aren’t mentioned and barely get paid enough money to live.
China literally claims to be a communist country. Well, what’s that mean? It means that when knowledge is known, it’s fair game for the country to use in order to make things better for everyone in the country.
The United States, on the other hand, has the ability to produce enough medication for literally every person who needs it, but creates laws so that businesses can control the production of drugs in order to make as much money as possible regardless of however many people die in the US from not getting the medicines they need.
China has a long history of espionage and theft to jumpstart many of their technologies someone else developed.
As they should.
Why should technology be gate-kept from less developed nations simply because they can’t afford it? That’s just a way to keep them underdeveloped, trapped in perpetual dependency on the more developed nations for so-called “intellectual property”
This is the way it was always done. The French paid English Gentlemen and nobility during industrialisation. Prussia had state sanctioned industry espionage. MR. Siemens himself went undercover as nobility to get information on machines.
The West discovered renewables and nuclear and then decided to keep burning coal and oil for the next 100 years like the absolute degenerates they are because they control the oil markets
The notion that China, or the US, or really anybody is committing theft by utilizing technological innovations, is what should be being discussed here. Individual innovations themselves were never made in a vacuum. Design, or information at large, is not something that can be privately owned. We have patents to give the right to seek super profits to the lucky individual that invents a new tech/process. An immensely lucky individual, who may or may not have actually done the labor to make the patent but is nonetheless the owner of the slip of paper, was born to live with enough resources, in the right places, and born before it was already invented, of course. The innovations that we enjoy today are a result of countless nameless people tinkering and improving, not just a few brilliantly outstanding inventors, who then somehow are a result of the success of a whole nation.
Okay, so you’re merely saying that they steal, but pretending that no one else does. That’s still Orientalism. There isn’t a powerful country in the world that isn’t engaged in industrial espionage. That’s just how industry works. It doesn’t make them scum.
China has a long history of espionage and theft to jumpstart many of their technologies someone else developed. The US, Europe,
Don’t fucking care, the US’ entire history is from since its inception has been plunder, stealing and genocide to steal land. The entirety of Europe’s history has been colonialism and stealing from Africa and mass killings and misery inflicted there.
I mean, the optics of this externally are:
Massive warmongering country which doesn’t invest in educating, feeding, or providing safety or healthcare for its citizens and doesn’t invest in its own infrastructure decides to switch to a limited supply of energy that makes people unhealthy and tries to deny said energy to other countries in order to harm and literally torture them, versus
Much more massive country with a history of innovating and pulling a billion people out of poverty(and not just the standard of that first country, but actually the more massive country’s much higher standard for poverty), which is doing a lot to invest in educating, feeding, and providing safety and healthcare for its own systems and investing massively in its own infrastructure and is quickly switching to solar and other renewable forms of energy and is quickly using dedesertification to try to stop and reverse the spread of deserts and turn them back into forests and vegetation, and is providing energy to a country that said first country is trying to deprive.
The optics look really bad for the first country.
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Well yeah, like south korea before them, and japan before korea, and america before japan, and europe before america… basically every country that has been a manufacturing powerhouse at some point “stole” designs then added their own improvements
If espionage and theft jumpstarting technologies are not “innovative”, I’ve got some news for you about the “innovative” examples of “good” capitalist businesses in the US. Who, by sheer coincidence, peddle the idea that Chinese industry is somehow “less advanced” than ours, yet who we still rely on to make “our” high tech commodities.
And is this soft power? We aren’t watching Chinese films and blanket idolizing Chinese culture, like with Japan. No, this is hard power in a sense, of material support. It just looks weird to you since you’ve only ever seen hard power in the form of existential domination.
Literally EVERYTHING developed in the United States was innovated by an employee and then the value of that innovation was stolen by their employer.
The United States doesn’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to claiming to innovate. The people who do the actual innovation aren’t mentioned and barely get paid enough money to live.
China literally claims to be a communist country. Well, what’s that mean? It means that when knowledge is known, it’s fair game for the country to use in order to make things better for everyone in the country.
The United States, on the other hand, has the ability to produce enough medication for literally every person who needs it, but creates laws so that businesses can control the production of drugs in order to make as much money as possible regardless of however many people die in the US from not getting the medicines they need.
Make it make sense.
As they should.
Why should technology be gate-kept from less developed nations simply because they can’t afford it? That’s just a way to keep them underdeveloped, trapped in perpetual dependency on the more developed nations for so-called “intellectual property”
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This is the way it was always done. The French paid English Gentlemen and nobility during industrialisation. Prussia had state sanctioned industry espionage. MR. Siemens himself went undercover as nobility to get information on machines.
Do you think the West invented all their solar panel tech? China is lightyears ahead.
Talking about stealing knowledge while current top Western tech is knowledge theft running on a GPU is peak cope.
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Do you think discovering the principle of something is the same as refining and mass producing it? In that case, plants beat France.
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The West discovered renewables and nuclear and then decided to keep burning coal and oil for the next 100 years like the absolute degenerates they are because they control the oil markets
The notion that China, or the US, or really anybody is committing theft by utilizing technological innovations, is what should be being discussed here. Individual innovations themselves were never made in a vacuum. Design, or information at large, is not something that can be privately owned. We have patents to give the right to seek super profits to the lucky individual that invents a new tech/process. An immensely lucky individual, who may or may not have actually done the labor to make the patent but is nonetheless the owner of the slip of paper, was born to live with enough resources, in the right places, and born before it was already invented, of course. The innovations that we enjoy today are a result of countless nameless people tinkering and improving, not just a few brilliantly outstanding inventors, who then somehow are a result of the success of a whole nation.
Do you think the only thing China has done is make them cheap?
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In 2025 a Chinese company broke records with its innovations in perovskite-silicon tandem solar panels.
The idea that Asians are only good at making things cheap is more Orientalism. Maybe try to not be so fucking racist?
Now you’re just being racist. They’re learning from other technology and then innovating it further, not just copying.
And if you don’t think the other countries you listed aren’t doing the same thing, you aren’t thinking about this seriously.
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The idea that Asians only steal and can’t invent anything is a pretty old Orientalist trope.
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Okay, so you’re merely saying that they steal, but pretending that no one else does. That’s still Orientalism. There isn’t a powerful country in the world that isn’t engaged in industrial espionage. That’s just how industry works. It doesn’t make them scum.
Don’t fucking care, the US’ entire history is from since its inception has been plunder, stealing and genocide to steal land. The entirety of Europe’s history has been colonialism and stealing from Africa and mass killings and misery inflicted there.
How many skulls did you measure?
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