• Mulligrubs@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    Cuba (Spanish Empire) and Palestine (Ottoman Empire and more) also have a horrific history.

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      I mean, cuba and Palestine have their own crimes without reaching for the empires, but nothing compared to the great leap forward.

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        It’s not a “reach”. That’s who the people are (and were). Cubans are mostly Spanish, Palestinians are mostly Arabs, that is their history.

        History is history. We are discussing history, no? Do a people get a clean slate when they write a constitution or charter?

        (if you’re going to compare another nation’s history to US history, it’s appropriate to start that history at the same point for all of the nations being compared: 250 years US history, compare to last 250 years of Cuban history, so Spain is 100% relevant, and 250 years of Palestinian history (Ottoman Empire).

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          It the same government and the same constitution, nothing changed between the 60s and now.

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            US history starts in 1776… So I’m starting comparative Cuban history at exact same point.

            Comparing 70 years of history vs. 250 is ridiculous, don’t you agree? Of course the horrors of 250 years are greater than the horrors of 70 years.

            Now, if topic is “US history starting in 1960s” you’d have a point, but OP said “US history”, which indicates to me that it started long before 1960.

            In 1776, Cuba was a Spanish Colony, full of Spaniards and their slaves; it was Spaniard until almost 1900. So, it’s been Spaniard longer than it’s been “Cuba”. When comparing histories, leaving Spain out in this comparison would be stupid.