• Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    348·
    2 天前

    What is stopping you from both asking the one who is willing to help AND trying to find a second solution on your own?

    You don’t lose anything by voting.

  • answersplease77@lemmy.world
    25·
    2 天前

    Nothing disgusts me more than billionare “philanthropists” who pledge to give away 70%-90% of their wealth to charities AFTER THEY DIE… While these MFs REFUSE TO EVEN PAY 5% TAX NOW and keep hiding their wealth and fucking kids offshores!

    AND guess what charity they choose to donate it to after they fucking rot 6-ft underground? IT’S THEIR FAMILY-OWNED FOUNDATION CHARITY!

    Every fucking billionare does this same trick to horde untaxed wealth for generation after the other. Or Elon who wants to go to Mars to “save humanity” , while doing jack shit to save humanity now and paying billions to support and keep Nazis in powers everywhere in the world.
    So Fuck you Bill Gates, Fuck you Warren Buffon, Fuck you Zuck and Besos and every billionare philathropists who claim they will donate after they fucking die

  • WraithGear@lemmy.worldEnglish
    163·
    3 天前

    except the second guy tells you he will save you incrementally, but you know he’s lying and is sitting on the car as it slowly sinks in. the first guy is the reason you in this mess in the first place.

    don’t go with either of them

  • stinkytofuisgood@lemmy.ca
    2112·
    3 天前

    This is a pretty shitty and convoluted analogy not gonna lie.

    Poster is a mod of this community and has apparently been deleting comments willy-nilly.

    If that’s the case, you’re a shitty mod not worthy of talking about late stage capitalism and perhaps your community is shit as a result of your actions and insecurity.

    If it’s not true, I apologize for all that lol

    • LocalAreaMan@lemmy.world
      4·
      2 天前

      Especially when we have perfect good, simple analogies about Democrats already.

      “It’s like saying to somebody, ‘You have a bowl of shit in front of you, and all you’ve got to do is eat half of it instead of the whole thing.’ It’s still shit.”

    • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlMEnglish
      106·
      3 天前

      Comments have been removed when they break the rules, we just have a massive influx of reddit liberals who are too used to the idea that they’re exempt.

  • Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    523·
    3 天前

    What politicians want us to believe:

    Voting: changes the system

    Doing politics: it’s for professionals

    How it really works:

    Voting: the possibility to kick bad persons out

    Doing politics: changes the system

    • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
      122·
      3 天前

      Only locally, at least here in the US.

      Nationally you have no power politically unless you’re a billionaire or available for purchase by a billionaire. Thankfully, at least locally, good things are still possible.

  • mlg@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2912·
    3 天前

    What is the point of Lemmy if the comments are just gonna get removed bruh.

    Useless thread

    • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
      144·
      3 天前

      What is the point of Lemmy if the comments are just gonna get removed bruh.

      I mean, the sidebar is pretty clear on what this comm is for and what is going to get deleted. The mod isn’t exactly subtle; libs just keep not getting it.

    • offspec@lemmy.world
      1610·
      3 天前

      OP is the mod removing comments calling them out for their terrible takes. VOTE.

      • stinkytofuisgood@lemmy.ca
        91·
        3 天前

        I think lemmy.world is probably worth avoiding in general. Consolidated power in one instance is no better than Reddit.

        • the_crotch@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          31·
          2 天前

          We have to use one of the big instances, in our system the small instances don’t have a chance and if you don’t use one of the two big ones you’re basically throwing your comment away

      • Soggy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        137·
        3 天前

        Or you could just not engage with communities whose rules you don’t want to follow.

        • offspec@lemmy.world
          128·
          3 天前

          Saying “Republicans need you not to vote” being against the rules is absurd.

          • Soggy@lemmy.worldEnglish
            75·
            3 天前

            There’s a context where that’s fine and there’s a context where that’s supporting the Democratic party which is unambiguously against the rules of the community. Read the sidebar, understand the rules and the culture before posting. Lurk more.

    • GodlessCommie@lemmy.worldOPMEnglish
      1121·
      3 天前

      Follow the rules and leave your political liberalism at the door and comments won’t get removed

      • stinkytofuisgood@lemmy.ca
        68·
        3 天前

        How about trying to explain your reasoning and try to get people to understand your perspective instead of insta-banning them and making them think that you are a dick and probably believe in things that dicks approve of.

        • GodlessCommie@lemmy.worldOPMEnglish
          51·
          2 天前

          This is not an education forum. This is a forum specifically for leftists. If you are leftist, you already have a position that is understandable in a leftist space. The problem is liberals that are not leftist coming into leftist spaces trying to co-opt them and neuter them to get us to support their right-wing candidates. All throughout the history of socialism and communism, dating back a few hundred years, the only ones that were allowed to participate in leftist spaces were ones that already understood the principles.

          To join the Black Panther Party in the 60s, you had to be black and you had to be a communist that understood the principles of communism and have studied and researched it to a specific level. If you did not, you simply were not allowed in, You were allowed no input, you were allowed no influence, you just simply were not allowed in. So to enter leftist spaces you need to do the work to understand our position before you enter our space. Or be willing to learn by asking questions, not throwing demands at us.

        • BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          6·
          3 天前

          When I get told by a neo-liberal I’m a baby, an idiot, and they’re glad my vote doesn’t matter and tells me to just not vote because I call them out on their bullshit shows it’s a door the swings both ways at least.

      • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        139·
        3 天前

        I wish I could tag communities with Voyager. I’d use tags like “deletes a lot” and “women only” so I’ll know to read only.

          • answersplease77@lemmy.world
            36·
            3 天前

            Unless he was an intentional troll/bot , then please let them talk and let us downvote or reply to prove them wrong. There are no Karma internet points in Lemmy

            • GodlessCommie@lemmy.worldOPMEnglish
              5·
              2 天前

              Liberalism is toxic to liberation. They are poisonous, and if you allow a poison to spread, it kills everything.

            • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlMEnglish
              91·
              3 天前

              There are a million and one places where you can “hear both sides”, and two million and one where our side is banned. We would like to have a one corner where we don’t have to relitigate the same tired talking points for the millionth time. Are you really missing out on that much by not seeing another dozen comments calling anyone critising the democratic party a Russian bot?

              • starik@lemmy.today
                17·
                2 天前

                Your side isn’t banned anywhere. Your side bans everyone else on hexbear and lemmy.ml. That’s where this community belongs, not on lemmy.world trolling normies.

                • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlMEnglish
                  61·
                  2 天前

                  If you really believe that then there’s no point in having this discussion because you just live in a completely different reality

    • starik@lemmy.today
      128·
      3 天前

      Because this community knows they can’t argue their positions on the merits.

      • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlMEnglish
        78·
        3 天前

        If you really want a com where rule breaking comments aren’t removed, you’ll have to make it yourself.

        • starik@lemmy.today
          86·
          3 天前

          Did I say I want that? I just said you can’t defend your positions on the merits. I was simply describing the situation, which explains the odd “rules.”

          • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlMEnglish
            710·
            3 天前

            God forbid we want a com where we don’t have to refute the same bad faith liberal bullshit ten thousand times over.

            • starik@lemmy.today
              86·
              3 天前

              You think anyone who argues with you doesn’t believe what they themselves are putting forward? Because that’s what “bad faith” means; it’s not just a buzzword that is synonymous with “wrong.” That’s a pretty self-serving view. One that would be easily demolished if you ever allowed the real world to penetrate your bubble, even once, much less ten thousand times.

              • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlMEnglish
                66·
                3 天前

                No, that isn’t what bad faith means.

                One that would be easily demolished if you ever allowed the real world to penetrate your bubble, even once, much less ten thousand times.

                Given that I have engaged with it extensively, no it wouldn’t.

                • LostCarcosan@lemmy.today
                  45·
                  3 天前

                  If arguing points you don’t believe in isn’t arguing in bad faith, then what is? Making points you don’t agree with?

    • GodlessCommie@lemmy.worldOPMEnglish
      1325·
      3 天前

      Disappearing because they keep arguing in favor of the people that’s caused our current situations

  • darthelmet@lemmy.world
    143·
    3 天前

    This is how I feel when it comes to climate change especially. The other issues are important, but the difference between getting M4A now and later is the people it can’t help now. That’s still important, but with climate change we’re hurtling towards a disaster we won’t be able to pull back from if we keep waiting. Every time we get a Dem where the best they can do is maybe undo some of the damage the Reps caused I just feel such despair.

    • Sharkticon@lemmy.zip
      387·
      4 天前

      You’re missing their point though. People are dying. While things are slow people are dying. At a certain point that becomes a problem doesn’t it? How long do you wait? How slow can we afford it to be?

      It’s just kind of absurd to ask people who are dying of lack of Health Care right this minute to be patient. To ask people that are living in crippling poverty to be patient. To ask women and children that are being raped with impunity to be patient. We’re drowning here.

      • njm1314@lemmy.world
        24·
        3 天前

        Nah man we can’t do anything about any of that. If we didn’t kill a few million Working Class People every year then one CEO might not get his golden parachute. So obviously we can never take actual steps to fix things.

      • GodlessCommie@lemmy.worldOPMEnglish
        135·
        3 天前

        To quote James Baldwin in 1982.

        What is it you wanted me to reconcile myself to? I was born here, almost 60 years ago. I’m not going to live another 60 years. You always told me ‘It takes time.’ It’s taken my father’s time, my mother’s time, my uncle’s time, my brothers’ and my sisters’ time. How much time do you want for your progress?"

      • Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        524·
        4 天前

        Sounds like you see yourself as the one outside of the car. Why are you still standing on the embankment while some drowns. What purpose does your concern serve. You are bystander syndrome. Choosing an option that helps no one in this moment.

    • GodlessCommie@lemmy.worldOPMEnglish
      1426·
      3 天前

      What has voting for the fascist pigs gotten you other than more poverty, more homelessness, more war, more debt, less freedom, more oppression?

      Several studies have shown voting does not influence policy or politicians.

    • sunnie@slrpnk.netEnglish
      152·
      3 天前

      I don’t think there’s no way forward short of revolution yet, but I think your criticism is overly harsh. The first step toward change is recognizing that there is a problem and assessing the magnitude of the problem. Most normal people are still grappling with this step, so expressing the facts (and your opinions) about the problem and need for a solution is important for convincing others.

      The next, and assuredly harder, step is coming up with an effective and lasting solution. A realistic solution depends on widespread support, so you can’t really jump to this step without knowing what sort of support you have behind your cause.

      Support is building for change, but there’s still enormous value in these sort of posts. Making calls for change seem like a normal thing that normal people do will make actual change more likely to happen and stick.

      Edit: wording Edit again: why was the post I responded to removed? I didn’t agree with it, but we want to be able to have a discussion here not be in an echo chamber.

    • TʜᴇʀᴀᴘʏGⒶʀʏ⁽ᵗʰᵉʸ‘ᵗʰᵉᵐ⁾@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      5·
      3 天前

      the portion of people posting about what actual organising efforts they’ve done is far too low

      What is there to even say about it that doesn’t make you a target? Memes are easy and entertaining; writing about your organizing efforts is less so. I used to make memes about that stuff but the more involved I got the less it made sense to talk about it on Lemmy.

    • freagle@lemmy.mlEnglish
      118·
      3 天前

      As if nobody knew that already.

      Are you serious right now? Are you aware of just how many people on the Lemmyverse have been arguing that lesser evil voting is not only the only moral choice but a moral choice that has a real impact?

      There are so many people who are not actually aware that the system is beyond repair, that believe voting is somehow outside the system that is broken and can be used to repair it.

      We need to break the fantasy that keeps people pacified and trapped. We need people to stop fighting about electoralism all together because they have realized it is fundamentally incapable of solving any of the problems they see.

      • Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.caEnglish
        410·
        3 天前

        And yet many of those people, as far as I can tell from snippets online, spend their days financially supporting the system. They buy daily from billionaires because doing anything else takes work. Starving the billionaires would be a good first step but people don’t want the trouble to go without cellphones, gas, fast food, gaming, Starbucks, etc.

        • freagle@lemmy.mlEnglish
          112·
          3 天前

          That’s also a fantasy. There is absolutely no evidence that the masses can starve out the ruling class. It has never been done. Boycotts do not work because they starve the rulers, they work because they quantify the ability to organize quickly and thoroughly. A single boycott in a single city of a single store is enough to demonstrate the ability to organize and the ruling class will react not because they get starved out but because they know the real threat is an organized working class.

          Not buying coffee will do about as much as voting will.

        • architect@thelemmy.club
          3·
          3 天前

          They are giving our tax dollars to billionaires. If you pay any taxes at all you support them! Ffs if they put you in jail for being a homeless vagrant get will force you into labor that fucking pays the billionaires!

  • LePoisson@lemmy.world
    2317·
    3 天前

    One Choice: Near instant death drowning

    Other Choice: Live but it takes too long to get where you want to be.

    Huuurrr Dduurrr THeSE ArE thE SamE