Windows isn’t ready for daily driving imo, it’s risky to use such an unstable OS for high importance tasks.
It’s fine if you want to tinker and experiment with a different OS, but for day to day usage I think you should really be using something more stable.
…this has to be a BSD guy talking.
No, where I work we use macs. Everyone has a Mac and our policys prohibit windows as a work os
macOS is practically a BSD though (XNU is a modified Mach microkernel with a BSD layer bolted on top of it)
IDK why anyone has automatic updates enabled, precisely because of this ocurring at frustrating times. Can this not be disabeled anymore or something?
The user-facing options only allow you to delay updates for up to a month. There is no way to permanently disable automatic updates from there. If you are a power user, there are ways that use things like group policy, registry keys, etc. But you may not have access to those if you are on a work or school computer, as that is managed by your IT team.
not in windows.
Yes, you can. I hate Windows and its eagerness to update whenever, but that behaviour is configurable.
In the Windows Update settings, under Advanced options, disable “⏩ Get me up to date” then set your “Active hours” to “Manually” then set an 18 hour block that doesn’t conflict with your work day, like 6 am till midnight. At least in theory, you’ll only get updates applied when you deliberately reboot or leave your machine on overnight.
Edit: if you’re really keen, you can use a tool like O&O ShutUp10 (it works on 11, too), or edit the registry to completely disable auto updates.
no. you can’t.
it’s set in policy on enterprise installs and you have to reghack to get it to stop.
that’s not it working, that’s a hack.
What a strange response. You’ve said that deferring updates can’t be done on Windows. It’s plain factually incorrect. You’re literally quoting that policy can control it but saying it can’t be controlled, but you see no contradiction. Real enterprise uses WSUS, which absolutely can defer updates, it’s one of the main selling points.
Not everyone uses that, and group policy is sufficient for plenty of orgs. The link in my earlier comment clearly explains how policy and registry settings can avoid OP’s problem, so “no you can’t” alone, is a ridiculous and incorrect response. That there exist cases where enterprise makes it more difficult does not mean that it is not possible. It’s arguably easier with enterprise because IT can push those settings out to everyone and make sure no one has those interruptions.
I have a laptop and a PC with the same settings. The laptop forces updates, the PC doesn’t and I have no idea why.
Hence the qualifier:
At least in theory
Not a sure thing, though, and IT policy often disables those options.
Your IT dept. has to be pretty shit if they’re controlling those policies but not setting basic work hours. Turning off that restart asap crap is the norm, because management/c-suite get pissed off by random restarts and immediately blame IT.
wow, spoken like someone who is clueless about how enterprise solutions work.
I thought you might just be inexperienced, but now I can see you’re just an armchair idiot.
Windows Woes
Windows isn’t ready for the desktop.
You shouldnt put a window on your desk top. A penguin would fit nicely, though…
Sorry you were at least half an hour late to your presentation.
You can install Linux in 5
And update while using it and restart at your own convenience.
And then spend an hour trying to get the presentation to run the way you made it. I love Linux, but installing Linux here in this time sensitive situation is definitely not the move for someone who has Windows already installed and their presentation completed and saved, presumably because they don’t know enough about Linux to confidently switch over completely. Some will probably be able to get out of that situation unscathed, but not most.
Just show that in your presentation and make them all wait for however long it takes.
Simple rules of thumb:
Never use windows for presentations.
Never use powerpoint for presentations.
Never use your own profile for presentations.
Always have a synced version to a URL that you can refer the audience to if the projector fails or doesnt like your computer.
But yeah, that sucks.
A friend who did a lot of presentations said: always have backups for everything.
- spare laptop
- duplicates of all kinds of connectors & cables
- projector and external speakers (if all in-person audience)
- know of any other available rooms nearby
- copies of presentation on USB and online
- etc.
I went on a business trip with him once, and we all carried 2 bags each of equipment. Last I heard, he ended up working for a large entertainment company in LA.
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This is why anything I need to do serious work on does not get Windows installed on it. Even OSX doesn’t pull this.
Sometimes it’s simply about being taken seriously.
I’m a very busy person without a lot of time to play video games. If I sit down to play (and on Linux!), I’m absolutely not willing to spend extra time waiting on OS updates. It’s great that I can configure my system to respect my time and never interrupt me if that’s what I wish on a device solely used for electronic card games.
It does exactly what I tell it to do, and that’s great.
I remember during the last big win11 update i defined active hours which was recommended by Microsoft to do so it only updates outside of work hours.
Only for it to get reset without notification so all workstations started updating in the middle of work when left idle
I*
Linux.
Or literally any other OS than Windoze.
In 15 minutes? WOW!
You could probably boot a live USB and transfer your presentation to it in that time.
Do you have a few minutes to talk about our Lord and Saviour, Linus Torvalds?
Just opened the thread to make sure someone was spreading the good word.
Yeah but Linux isn’t viable for me because [very obscure bug that was fixed in 2014]
Would you look at the time! Tux o’clock already!
i can backup my home computer, reinstall the entire OS, all apps, restore all the data, faster than a single Windows Update takes on my work machine
Their computer is installing updates, sure they have a few minutes.
Our Linus, who art from Finland, Hallowed be thy kernel.
He’s been in California for decades.
But he’s from Finland.
Linux users in their natural habitat, obscure online forums.
Observe how they nitpick minor technicalities between themselves, a hallmark sign of affection among their kind.
Iirc he’s in Oregon.
Me with my media library laptop on 58 days of uptime, chugging along like nothing is wrong
Didn’t he jump on the AI bandwagon?
If I don’t find an anti-AI kernel fork I might be moving to NetBSD soon. That sucks, I hate moving to a new OS.
Linus has always prioritized results over ideological purity. Which is why Linux runs the world whereas BSD is still just a niche project.
I’m not totally convinced that his behavior in the past is a reflection on what is to come. He is at this point still refusing to answer questions about licensing LLM generated code and such and has apparently been obfuscating LLM commits. That doesn’t sound like somebody who is committed to results so much as it sounds like somebody giving into AI brainrot.
He’s also human, for example he hypothetically could use AI to offset a disability like dementia - a totally reasonable emotional response, but also not who I want controlling global cyber security.
Last I heard though all AI commits were a separate branch, I wasn’t aware of any sneakiness.
Clearly he doesn’t care about results because he slop coded with antigravity rather than reading documentation for a python side-project. I imagine his younger self would be cussing his older self out for shipping things he literally doesn’t understand.
The reason for his actions are much simpler: he got paid. He gets paid from the linux foundation which receives a lump sum from AI companies. In 2024 Linus said AI was just Hype, but then the foundation received millions in funds from the AI companies.
If he cared about results he would have written the damn things himself.
I’m no vibecoder but between 2024 and now, LLMs also got much better. It might not have been the money that changed his mind.
That and BSD was almost BSD™ by AT&T™.
Lost all its momentum at probably its most valuable growth opportunity to a single dev.
A lot of people very recently are already jumping ship from Linux so it appears a new most valuable growth opportunity has arrived.
I’m not sure I’d call permissive licensing “ideological purity” compared to copyleft.
Frankly, I think BSD loses because corporations are legally allowed to take and never give back.
OUCH
“YOUR COMPUTER FAILED TO START AFTER A RECENT UPDATE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLORE RECOVERY OPTIONS?”
Yes, I do want to explore Linux.
Yeah, rule of thumb: you need your Windows PC to be available 100% at a close future point? update it now, reboot, and then disable networking if possible.
Also pause updates, it doesn’t stop all updates but it does avoid most of the forced reboot Micro$lop dishes out for weeks at a time. Disabling networking is ideal, no doubt, including the telemetry spam.
You have to ignore the updates for a while before it will force reboot during your normal working hours.
If it’s left alone overnight yeah it might reboot on you the day the patch came out. But if your active hours are set to something same it’s never rebooted on me.
Yeah enterprise images are set to default as 8am active time. If someone leaves their machine on they’ll switch to an inactive state at like 8pm or whatever you configured, and do the updates at like 2am and you should never need to know anything about it if something doesn’t break.
Not every setup is done well though, ive have several coworkers and I have Mac OS and Windows images want to force a reboot during work hours, 99% of the time it is either the user never allows the machine to be on when it isn’t in use, or IT dropped the ball on the image.
