black people, immigrants, and indigenous people too. atp, to stop the constant social murder and actual murder, we’ve got to force it on people. I don’t want to become radicalized and lose my life or some shit fighting against the state, but if they’re just letting people get lynched again, then I have to.

Men benefit from it. They benefit both from raping people with impunity and from being one of the good ones who doesn’t.

Literally do not care if they weren’t popular or didn’t have elections. It was necessary that they suppressed the SRs, because democratic socialists are idealists who will run you into the ground. The majority of Russians were antisemitic, does that mean that’s just fine?

The DSA cannot at all be compared to the groups I was talking about because they fail at one of the main requirements, to be an anti-imperialist movement, their candidates have like backed out from every meaningful thing. They are not really “democratic socialists” they are closer to social democrats.

I thought you were talking about some mythical social democrats or something, based on your language and talking about votes in European countries. My brain turned off after I read the words oligarchic corpocracy. I thought you were a garden variety rad-lib. First person I’ve known who supports the SRs it didn’t even register in my brain.

Not really, no.

You don’t have to be mentally ill to be religious. Some people just grew up with it and see it as their reality, and some people adopted it. Most religious people are not more or less mentally ill than the average religious none or atheist.

The Socialist Revolutionary Party, the ones who supported the provisional government originally? And who supported the white army? I didn’t think it was possible anyone supported them in 2026.

That link is broken on my browser.

The words “purity tests” sets off my liberal detector, because of accusations of “purity testing” being used to defend Democratic party entryism and terrible DSA candidates from criticism.

Someone agrees with me? That’s cool. I thought all of that was going to be for naught.

I don’t think Marx ever condemned the word “authoritarian.” Or said anything about a dictatorship of the proletariat becoming more unjust than a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. That doesn’t sound like anything he’d say.

What is “socialist consensus?” What are these words? “Oligarchic corpocracy?” “Social Revolutionaries?” Are you talking about the Mensheviks? Is this some kind of social democratic stroke?

Imagine the reactions you’d get from other people if you said this in real life. Accusing other people of like having a psychosexual fixation with being dominated and that’s why they have their political beliefs is such a strange thing to say. You’ve made it unclear if it’s a joke, but I don’t really care.

“We should be free of their pathetic attempt to get the parental figure they lacked in their formative years.”

Why do you have to degrade people with childhood trauma to make this analogy?

Idk what communist movement you think is going to emerge pristine out of this horrific, traumatizing, wasteland of human suffering without being wrong in really terrible ways.

A socialist or anti-imperialist movement does not have to be morally correct for me to back them. Class struggle does not have to be led by good people to succeed, they don’t have to have a correct interpretation of Marxism or be Marxist at all, they don’t have to not have corruption, and they will almost always carry reactionary baggage. In a lot of situations (almost universally) it’s not realistic or possible at all for a resistance to capitalist exploitation, colonialism or imperialism to exist without all of those problems and more, but doesn’t mean it shouldn’t exist. If they’re opposing capitalism, even if they’re doing it badly, they deserve support.

Also, yes, MLs shouldn’t do apologia for the things the USSR did or other socialisms did, they should state the truth clearly without discomfort. I’m kinda disillusioned with ML spaces on the internet, actually, because they really suck. It’s like a game to some people; a game about being right and not caring about fucking anything. It puts me off when I see like uncritical support of past socialisms as if they were perfect, which is impossible, and you’ll always end up being disappointed, which is the one of the points of this whole message, but it only serves to make them look like atrocity-denying historical revisionists to other people. Like the Soviets really did deport Tatars in trains, and really didn’t work to correct the colonialist past they inherited from the Russian Empire.

However, the dissolution of the USSR and the throwing of its people to the wolves of finance capital was a humanitarian catastrophe for Eastern Europe and created a situation that even now is actually sickening to think about, and I don’t know at all how or when things will recover and get better for people there. It put into motion the fucking tragedy that is happening now in Ukraine plus all of the unseen suffering in the poor regions of what was the Eastern Bloc. The ex-Soviet countries are are perfect example of what losing looks like.

Like I’m sure there are lurid, real crimes that Hamas, or Iran, or Ansar Allah committed, but I hope to god they don’t lose, because they’re fighting against the IDF and the American military and all of the bad things that the resistance has done cannot hold a candle to what the US and Israel have done. That’s how I feel about resistance to capital.

Like you’ve gotta understand historical materialism and a lot more than just that, you have to keep trying to understand things for years to be good communist. I’m not a good communist. If you approach politics with the goal of having the correct hot takes, you’ll never want to understand anything. Just stop making hot takes, and look at the world.

it’s incredibly ironic that you are using a phrase meant to ridicule people who reduce communism to black and white moralistic idealism… and repeating it like a mantra (like a sheep, perhaps) as part of a conversation where bringing up that excerpt from that Orwell book makes extremely little sense. You are making a satire of yourself, stop doing it.

I mean I don’t like the slogan either because it’s mostly used by right libertarians, who are the least serious political alignment.

I don’t like insulting them, though, even if they do really annoying shit. It’ll make the rock try to convince me its sad and I’m not emotionally hardened enough for that kind of trickery to not work on me at least a little.

The longest groan ever:

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaageeeeeeeeeeolAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa

“gay earth,” “cat torture in China”

Guys, is this real? I don’t wanna look it up myself.