• JayDee@lemmy.worldEnglish
    9·
    3 小时前

    This could be a family guy gag, it fits that perfectly in tone and pace (though it’s not really relateable to a general audience.)

    Being Earnest About it,

    I would say that pure anarchism functions only as a philosophy of self-conduct. Honestly, I think more people understanding the communications of anarchism in that frame would do a lot of good, even if it’s not their final philosophical subscription. I treat it similar to Jesus’ teachings of tolerance, or Buddhism’s ideas of pacifism, however yielding more actionable conclusions, such as participating in anti-establishment action and mutual aid.

    Actual real-world solutions require democratic deliberation within a community, though. There are some more thought-out versions of that which exist, such as Anarcho-syndicalism (conducting supply chains and a pseudo-economy through union-conducted coops broadly), but specifically thrusting forth a specific solution is both a dictation to the anarchist community as a whole, and thus somewhat antithetical to what anarchism is about; and likely to fail, since many communities would likely not be able to replicate many aspects of the template.

    • vagrancyand@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      210·
      2 小时前

      Well good news, the only people that think tankies are fascists are people that believe neoliberal and fascist propaganda is only factual and can never be either exaggerated or just lied about.

      • dylanmorgan@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        3·
        53 分钟前

        Tankies may not be fascists but they’re authoritarians, and as it turns out, authoritarianism is bad regardless of the ideology claimed by the authoritarian.

        • vagrancyand@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          1·
          14 分钟前

          All states are authoritarian and China proved you cannot reach communism without a socialist state in a transitory period. So all possible paths to the next step of socioeconomic evolution will be authoritarian.

          Authoritarianism isn’t a bad thing, it’s what makes a state, a state.

        • vagrancyand@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          16·
          2 小时前

          ‘Oh sure, the CIA got caught doing and admitted to selling weapons to Iran and used the money to buy drugs from the contras in attempts to destabilize both regions, and sure they openly supported Al Qaeda financially and with training in order to destabilize the region, and sure there are literally hundreds of thousands of declassified files that tie the CIA to almost every terrorist organization in the world which would assign the majority of violent deaths since WWII solely to the US government which has been, according it its own intelligence agency, the single greatest contributor to world instability in world history, having caused far more damage than all empires and all other countries that you could ever possibly list… but you know what, they definitely wouldn’t train and arm Turkish nationals to commit terror attacks across western China resulting in a nationwide crackdown that the US government would later allege is a genocide despite having plenty of evidence that it simply isn’t; and you know they would never arm and train ‘protestors’ who violently take over several blocks of beijing causing at least twenty deaths before riot police and the army could step in and then take a photo out of context and use it as some kind of symbolic ideological attack on how awful the Chinese government is. They’re just not capable of that.’ - The average Lemmy liberal.

            • vagrancyand@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              1·
              13 分钟前

              Massacre? Definitely not, that implies unarmed defenders, which no one is claiming exist. Even the western accounts acknowledge that the protestors were armed and killed several unarmed police before the military was called in.

          • dylanmorgan@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            31·
            49 分钟前

            Some of us recognize that two, even three or four groups can do bad things. And that a large enough group can do things that are helpful to the general population, and things that are harmful. The US is guilty of some heinous shit, no doubt. But so was the Soviet Union, so is China under the CCP. Some of us can perceive shades of grey, a skill your comments here suggest you lack.

            • vagrancyand@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              1·
              16 分钟前

              Yes, yes, you big brain. Me small brain. Me clearly cannot see shades of grey. Me clearly saying CPC is leader of wonderful utopian paradise. You know more than me.

              Now that your masturbatory mansplaning is done, do you want to try to actually engage with the idea or do you want to insist that the bad guys in world history maybe lied to you.

  • Guy Dudeman@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4921·
    5 小时前

    So… here my whole thing… these “anarchists” you’re talking about just… don’t exist. This is a strawman, meant to make tankies continue to feel superior to everyone else. Punching “down” so to speak. I don’t get it. The left SHOULD be about cooperation. The left SHOULD be about well-being for all. But tankies don’t seem to give a shit about that. They just want to punch “down”. That’s all I ever see from tankies. I never see them out helping anyone. I never see them doing anything but being terminally online in their enclaves and sending pig poop pics to people and banning people from their enclaves for actually trying to have a serious conversation. That’s literally, like, it.

    • HowdyLemmy@lemmy.zipEnglish
      83·
      2 小时前

      So… here my whole thing… this “Linux” you’re talking about just… don’t exist. This is a strawman, meant to make users continue to feel superior to GNU+Linux users. Punching “down” so to speak. I don’t get it. Linux SHOULD be about cooperation. Linux SHOULD be about well-being for all. But users don’t seem to give a shit about that. They just want to punch “down”. That’s all I ever see from users. I never see them out helping anyone. I never see them doing anything but being terminally online in their enclaves and sending pig poop pics to people and banning people from their enclaves for actually trying to have a serious conversation. That’s literally, like, it.

      • Kichae@piefed.caEnglish
        102·
        3 小时前

        They just need their grain hopper filled and a scritching behind their ears.

        • Ecco the dolphin@lemmy.mlEnglish
          5·
          2 小时前

          I’m just a passerby, and I’m not going to do any reading lists or arguments or whatever I’m just going to point something out.

          There’s someone in this thread who said this (I have no desire to throw shade at this person, we’d probably be best friends IRL):

          It becomes easier when humans don’t have the toil of physically moving the packages. My husband would build and program the robots right now if I let him. (Too afraid that he’ll overthrow society before the 4 thieves vinegar collective publishes the recipes for the medications that I need to survive)

          And I struggle to understand where the microchips will come from. I’d love to live in a world where a global supply chain arises that allows precision manufacturing in an anarchist way. I also wish pokemon were real and ethically possible.

          That’s what this meme is about. Anarchist robots. Honestly I think typing this is probably a waste of time, just kind of an explanation of a joke that some people are trying to not understand.

          • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            1·
            3 分钟前

            And I struggle to understand where the microchips will come from

            This. I love anarchism in theory, but some things can only be made with huge organized supply chains and microscopic manufacturing tolerances. They just fundamentally require an organizational hierarchy that looks very un-anarchic.

          • undergroundoverground@lemmy.worldEnglish
            32·
            2 小时前

            I think the misunderstanding comes from conflating anarchism with anarchy. It’s the systems of control, coercion and hierarchies that people would do away with, not knowledge, machinery or the ability to organise things.

            • Ecco the dolphin@lemmy.mlEnglish
              71·
              2 小时前

              I totally get that, but I struggle to imagine a community choosing to (destructively, there’s few ways to do it) mine their nearby environment for rare metals so some other community can ship it to another community that has a massive cleanroom industrial floor in a horizontal hierarchy. It doesn’t seem achievable, and I am someone who has organized my own local folks for collective purposes.

              • undergroundoverground@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                2 小时前

                I agree that it’s hard to imagine. To me, it’s more of a true north than something that could be achieved in the next 100 years. It’s more of a save yourself thing anyway. No ones coming to save us.

                People do kind things for each other. Exchange can still exist and people will have a lot more time of their hands to help their neighbours, near and far, if they’re not being exploited all day. Things will have to be done and not everyone will want to farm their own food.

                No one’s going to see it if they’re looking for it through the lenses of our current system in the same way people a few hundred years ago wouldn’t be able to imagine large scale building projects without an army of slaves.

      • jdr@lemmy.mlEnglish
        2·
        1 小时前

        I mean… you’re on Lemmy.

        If you didn’t want tankies you’re in the wrong shitshow.

        • Zorque@lemmy.worldEnglish
          52·
          2 小时前

          You can use whatever scary term you want for the phantoms who you hold responsible for all the problems in your life.

          • Guy Dudeman@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            45 分钟前

            MLs literally don’t affect my life at all. That’s the problem. They don’t do anything except hang out online and make fun of the libs.

    • Zer0_7092@lemmy.zipBEnglish
      34·
      5 小时前

      Unbridled evil is when the joke is obvious

      Live a little, without humor you miss out on a lot in life