• Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
          315·
          5 个月前

          Why? It’s just fearmongering and would damage the fediverse

            • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
              41·
              5 个月前

              The difference is nobody used XMPP before and after Google integrated it. People are using the fediverse. I don’t think people already using the fediverse will ever migrate to threads. If anything, people may realise that they can talk to threads people and leave Meta’s system. Even the BBC and the European Union have their own instances. I cannot see them migrating to Threads whenever Meta messing with politics is a known issue

          • WamGams@lemmy.caEnglish
            6·
            5 个月前

            I disagree.

            We know what META is about and what they do. We came here because we didn’t want to be treated as products and used as experiments constantly watched by “AI algorithm”.

            The smartest thing anybody ever said to me is, “don’t let a pimp have access to the battered woman’s shelter.”

            Almost all of us are here because we have either always thought that, or grew to think that.

          • FiniteBanjo@lemmy.todayEnglish
            31·
            5 个月前

            Taking down a threat to free and open fediverse is the opposite of damage to fediverse.

  • Pohl@lemmy.worldEnglish
    41·
    5 个月前

    I have to know what the Detroit soccer team did to get so high on that list. Somebody here must know. Please!

      • mister_monster@monero.townEnglish
        13·
        5 个月前

        Really? I know they have a bunch of porn bots, I don’t think I ever interacted with someone on there, just saw bot posts in my federated feed. I never noticed anything pedoish, but of course I don’t click content warnings so I wouldn’t know, I’m not interested in NSFW stuff on fedi.

    • Microw@lemm.eeEnglish
      96·
      5 个月前

      Anything illegal posted on a remote server will bring legal trouble to you as a server admin the moment it federates onto your instance. Therefore I completely understand them defederating from instances with a high risk of illegal activity.

        • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          192·
          5 个月前

          What…?

          Selective federation is a benefit. It’s by design. It’s helpful in precisely these circumstances. And as it’s open source, the users of the service can use the feature how they want. It’s entirely reasonable that instance admins use the feature as intended to protect against regional legal liability. What you’re doing is like using a canoe, and then complaining that there’s too much water in these here parts.

    • MBM@lemmings.worldEnglish
      40·
      5 个月前

      At least on Lemmy, defederating is also a way of banning all the instance’s users from your communities. If you’re constantly banning one instance’s users and their admins seem fine with it, there’s really no other way.

      • barsquid@lemmy.worldEnglish
        121·
        5 个月前

        I wish I, an individual account, could defederate from instances, like some way to block all those instances’ users.

        • Omniraptor@lemm.eeEnglish
          6·
          5 个月前

          the lemmy devs added per user instance blocks a while ago. Check your settings page

          • jqubed@lemmy.worldEnglish
            4·
            5 个月前

            I’m pretty sure it doesn’t block the users; I blocked the NSFW Lemmy, whatever the big one is, because of how much porn would be on the All feed otherwise. I was surprised to see a post or comment from someone whose account was on that instance a few weeks ago, but it wasn’t anything I didn’t want to see so overall I was glad the users are still able to participate elsewhere if that’s what they want.

            • PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              5 个月前

              Sort of. It does block the users, but only on your specific instance. If you’re interacting with a post on another instance and that instance is federated with them, you’ll still see them on that third instance.

              Defederating basically takes the three instances from a closed triangle ◺ (where all users can see and post on all three instances) to an open triangle ∟ (where your instance and the defederated instance are blocked from each other, but the third instance can still see and interact with both.)

              • jqubed@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                5 个月前

                Very interesting, thank you for the explanation.

                Edit: is that just for defederation or also when I block an instance on my account?

    • MindTraveller@lemmy.caEnglish
      262·
      5 个月前

      Because in order to block content, the user first has to see it. If I were an instance admin, I wouldn’t force my users to see any amount of N words and homophobic slurs, not even the once it takes to block it.

        • MindTraveller@lemmy.caEnglish
          141·
          5 个月前

          With a blocklist, the user is putting their trust in an unnamed group of people with essentially no accountability. With defederation, the user puts their trust in admins they can talk to, with a public modlog to explain every decision. You’re proposing to take the same amount of control away from users, but with less accountability.

            • pmk@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
              3·
              5 个月前

              The difference, and the best part of the fediverse imho, is that if you’re not happy with someone elses rules you can become your own admin and set your own rules. The more we centralize power the further we go against that idea.

          • Kusimulkku@lemm.eeEnglish
            1·
            5 个月前

            You can have the federated blocklist people named, decisions for adding to list public and explained. That way it would be the same as with admins

    • PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.worldEnglish
      253·
      5 个月前

      If you want to see far-right content and spam, join a far-right server or run your own, rather than trying to shame server owners into doing what you want.

      Admins are entitled to decide what they platform and what they don’t. On top of that, the user experience of “just block 100 servers of Nazis and incels to get to the content you want to see” is complete dogshit.

      This “it should all be user level” is just apologist bullshit.

      • Kusimulkku@lemm.eeEnglish
        42·
        5 个月前

        It’s funny seeing how being able to see and discuss these decisions being the advantage of lemmy and admins and then seeing someone talking about defederation policies being “shaming” lmao. A bit dramatic

      • Sootius@lemmy.worldEnglish
        36·
        5 个月前

        Did anybody say admins aren’t entitled to block stuff? User just wanted a system to see everything and block what they didn’t want.

        Fuck off with this aggressive bad-faith shit.

        • PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.worldEnglish
          31·
          5 个月前

          Did anybody say admins aren’t entitled to block stuff

          His “defederation bad (except pedos)” isn’t exactly wet with support for blocking instances for spam and extremism.

          User just wanted a system to see everything and block what they didn’t want.

          That system exists. It’s the “run your own server” that I explicitly mentioned. But let’s be honest, he doesn’t want that system (which again, he already has) for himself, he wants it for everyone else.

          It’s the same bullshit that “free speech absolutists” push in every single thread about defederation – admins should be hands off and users should dig through through slurs, racism, homophobia looking for content worth engaging with.

          It benefits exactly one group of people but apparently doesn’t set off your “bad-faith” radar.

        • PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.worldEnglish
          31·
          5 个月前

          Did anybody say admins aren’t entitled to block stuff?

          I mean, it’s a user complaining about defederation from known nazi instances. It gives off some big “free speech absolutist (as long as the free speech is hate speech)” vibes.

          User just wanted a system to see everything and block what they didn’t want.

          That system already exists. You can spin up your own instance in like 15 minutes, and have access to the entire unfiltered fediverse. But nobody wants to do that, because nobody actually wants to see the unfiltered fediverse. That shit is basically rawdogging the internet, because it’s full of extremists and pedophiles.

          There is only one side who benefits from the “everything unfiltered by default, the user has to individually wade through mountains of slurs, hate, doxxing, and child porn to manually block all of them” option. And it isn’t the user. The only side that benefits is the side that now gets to peddle their BS to a wider audience.

          If you genuinely want the fediverse to improve and grow, advocating for unfiltering isn’t the way. That shit will scare off any curious new users faster than any kind of reasonable filtering would. Imagine you make a new account, and your first interactions are blocking a thousand individual instances just so you don’t end up on a federal watch list.

    • mctoasterson@reddthat.comEnglish
      51·
      5 个月前

      Looked at the list and did a bit of searching as well as checking the reasons they were defederated. Looks like the top one is basically a trolling group akin to GNAA or some of the proto 4chan or SomethingAwful shit for those who remember back that far.

      I can understand why overt trolling and possibly illegal content would be defederated.

      That said I would like to see more diverse opinions and sources on my Lemmy feed though. There has to be a base somewhere that isn’t literal nazis but isn’t open socialists either.

      • PlainSimpleGarak@lemm.eeEnglish
        64·
        5 个月前

        That said I would like to see more diverse opinions and sources on my Lemmy feed though. There has to be a base somewhere that isn’t literal nazis but isn’t open socialists either.

        Please, this. Lemmy is boring as all hell. 95%+ of users have the same opinions. It’s a giant echo chamber.

  • quindraco@lemm.eeEnglish
    335·
    5 个月前

    How bad are these that Hexbear didn’t even make the list? Drilling through on the clickable version here makes it clear that the #1, poa.st, has the same basic content as Hexbear, but I’m assuming it’s somehow way worse. Just imagine.

    • Cyrus Draegur@lemm.eeEnglish
      244·
      5 个月前

      hexbear isn’t even malicious. hexbear is spicy at best. not nearly as bad as lemmygrad, which is outright repugnant in its overt hostility. hexbear users are at least CAPABLE of communicating, whereas in my experience lemmygrad users pull the animal farm squealer move and defecate on the floor before storming out.

      • trafficnab@lemmy.caEnglish
        94·
        5 个月前

        Hexbear suffers from the nazi bar problem, they’re not ALL tankies, but they sure do hang out with a lot of them

        I just don’t have the time to sus out who’s who and it’s much easier (and less massive-shock-image-spamming) to use an instance that’s defederated with them

        • Sootius@lemmy.worldEnglish
          54·
          5 个月前

          How did Hexbear ever harass everyone here? Lemmy.world never even federated with them for a second.

          • Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            4·
            5 个月前

            You’re misunderstanding what I mean. .world’s advent marked a paradigm shift where .ml was no longer the “default” lemmy instance. So long as hexbear was federated with the “default” lemmy instance, they were able to inflict their insanity on everyone else. Now .world provides a large part of lemmy insulation against them.

            • PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.worldEnglish
              4·
              5 个月前

              Yeah, every now and then I hop over to an account on another instance, and immediately remember why I tend to hang out on .world…

              .world isn’t perfect, but holy hell some of the other instances are just buried in tankie BS.

      • chemicalprophet@lemm.eeEnglish
        1520·
        5 个月前

        I’m on hexbear. It’s a good community. It’s leftist though so conservatives and libruls won’t like it. But you can have a good argument and find like minded people.

        • JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nlEnglish
          113·
          5 个月前

          The thing is, you can ONLY have a conversation with extremely like minded people. If you are not tip-of-the-left authoritarian, you are called a filthy lib and shunned.

          Sadly it just suffers the same syndrome as that conservative sub on reddit: “Anyone who doesn’t agree with me on every important and semi important point is literally the same as my worst enemy and I will fill their inbox with insults”

          I disagreed with the way they often brigade posts and they said I was “indiscernible from the racist, fascist party” from my country. Like they went through the effort of looking up where I was from and the political parties there to find the most right wing one to name call and insult me with lol. That says a lot about the community culture, in my opinion.

          It also has heavy Russian apologist content. Like, I even understand that MLs love China and excuse everything they do, but Russia is literally an right wing oligarchy with no health care and crippled social benefits that is led by an extreme right wing authoritarian fascist. I get that they are China’s ally by the enemy-of-my-enemy principle, but that doesn’t mean they are automatically good.

          • chemicalprophet@lemm.eeEnglish
            43·
            5 个月前

            Not like over here, where I just mentioned another community I belonged to. Very different😒. Congratulations!

            • JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nlEnglish
              1·
              5 个月前

              Ha, true. Well on the bright side, it looks like you only had one person insult you and they didn’t try to dox you so at least the lashback is quite tame 😅 I would call that a very positive experience if we were over there haha

              Everyone hates everyone I guess…

              • chemicalprophet@lemm.eeEnglish
                2·
                5 个月前

                lol the last time I was doxed was some MAGA freak on Nextdoor. Now that’s a fucking cesspool of filth…

        • 𝓔𝓶𝓶𝓲𝓮@lemm.eeEnglish
          61·
          5 个月前

          It’s the kind of place you go when you are bored out of your mind, online and want to see some circus shit going on without being sprinkled in toxic dung

          It’s horrible but stomachable and you get to see very special people you didn’t know exist. A living cautionary tale of going too far

          • chemicalprophet@lemm.eeEnglish
            43·
            5 个月前

            I don’t have that experience at all. But I’m not there to try and win any battles. Lots of true allies.

            • 𝓔𝓶𝓶𝓲𝓮@lemm.eeEnglish
              6·
              5 个月前

              I mean they are literally Mao Zedong figures with rainbow clothes it’s fucking bizzare. I never expected to see gay Chinese communists and queer soviets hence for me it’s like a trip

              I only had similar feeling when seeing dark skinned Polish aryans neonazis, the clash of history is just too funny or at least it would be if it was a stand up comedy and they didn’t want to kill me on sight, just like the hexbears for that matter

              In any case as long as you pretend to be one of em it’s always super nice, cult like, sisterhood but they have cute tendency for wanting to kill you immediately after you reveal yourself

              • chemicalprophet@lemm.eeEnglish
                21·
                5 个月前

                I can see the broad strokes you are painting with. I’m not them, I’m there. That is all. Continue working to bring down the patriarchy!🏴🏴🏴🤘🏿

        • Kogasa@programming.devEnglish
          2·
          5 个月前

          Before I blocked the instance I had nothing but miserable interactions with Hexbear users, and it had nothing to do with political opinions.

          • chemicalprophet@lemm.eeEnglish
            21·
            5 个月前

            Shame. My condolences. When people feel this way it doesn’t help. Rock on, Comrade🤘🏿

        • quindraco@lemm.eeEnglish
          46·
          5 个月前

          It may well be “leftist”, but it’s also maximum authoritarian. Hexbears love fascism like a raccoon loves trash. If you’re anything but a full-on Nazi, absolutely including being a genocide denier, you’ll be relentlessly attacked on there.

          • Sootius@lemmy.worldEnglish
            35·
            5 个月前

            Just not true. There are a lot of anarchists on there. In fact a large portion of their emotes are dedicated to left unity.

            • Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              41·
              5 个月前

              Left unity is a lie perpetuated by tankies so we’ll be more compliant when they shove us against the wall.

              Edit:after looking though the comment history, this account is clearly a Hexbear Alt. 24 in 2 months the last burst was over a month ago, and the first dealing directly with Hexbear.

              • Sootius@lemmy.worldEnglish
                13·
                5 个月前

                Utter nonsense, left unity is real. And yes, I have accounts on both, I didn’t realise that was a secret spy crime :)

        • ErinCrush@lemm.eeEnglish
          1014·
          5 个月前

          Hexbear rules. 40 year old liberal tech nerds who grew up on American propaganda hate it because they hate change and congregations of young people.

          • AVincentInSpace@pawb.socialEnglish
            21·
            5 个月前

            I don’t hate change, I hate Putin apologism from a space that claims to be left wing.

            More to the point I hate brain dead takes like “voting is not harm reduction and if you don’t go 3rd party in 2024 you’re no better than a fascist”

    • GarfGirl#2@lemm.eeEnglish
      81·
      5 个月前

      they’re neo nazi pedophiles iirc and in the brief time i was on a fedi instance federated with them i saw one of them trying to goad a trans person i knew with suicidal tendencies to kill herself because he thought it would be funny. like its so many orders of magnitude worst its just completely stupid to compare them at all. Like here’s some of the defed reasons from the top of the incredibly long list of instances that have defedded it:

      Nazi content
      Racism
      antisemitism, racism, homophobia
      Nationalsozialistisches Gedankengut
      Hate speech
      racist slurs, anti-semitic stuff, etc
      Nazisme, Transphobie, Racisme, Antisemitisme
      Admins are having Nazi symbolics in their profile
      racism, pedophilia, harassment
      Serveur d’extrême droite / Néonazi
      Repeated harassment targetting specific users
      Transphobia, Hate Speech, Nazi Symbology. Lack of Moderation.
      Homophobia, transphobia
      Hosting neonazis
      transphobia / homophobia / racism / queerphobia / nazi combo instance

  • clearedtoland@lemmy.worldEnglish
    25·
    5 个月前

    I visited a few out of mindless curiosity and ignorance. I have no idea wtf I read and now the FBI is after me…

  • hellofriend@lemmy.worldEnglish
    21·
    5 个月前

    Can someone give me a brief rundown on what it means to be federated vs defederated? New to lemmy

    • DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      25·
      5 个月前

      Really basic summary

      Federated means that instances are connected, i.e. lemmy.world accounts and posts can interact with sh.itjust.works ones.

      Defederated means that one of the instances is blocked by the other, so all communication between the two is blacklisted.

      • hellofriend@lemmy.worldEnglish
        8·
        5 个月前

        Oh okay, that makes sense. And I’m assuming “Defederations” in the image is like the number of accounts in that defederated group?

        • DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          9·
          5 个月前

          It’s the number of instances that have blocked them.

          Accounts can’t defederate afaik. There’s a way to block instances on some apps, but it’s client-side and really just hides posts from that instance.

            • GarfGirl#2@lemm.eeEnglish
              2·
              5 个月前

              they’re pedophile nazis who do harassment campaigns against minorities basically

            • DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              31·
              5 个月前

              I don’t know the whole deal with them, but off the top of my head I know it’s a very far-right social media site that was fairly mainstream for a while. It got a lot of media coverage after getting hacked, so I guess a lot of people ended up blocking it once they heard of it.

              I don’t know the full story. They were probably just a bunch of trolls like a lot of the other instances.

        • PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          5 个月前

          The number of instances, not accounts. The instance is the entire server. All of Lemmy.world would be one instance.

          Worth noting that there are lots of people who also run personal instances off of their home server. So like they may be the only user in that instance, or have a few friends who use it too. And they would also count as one instance on this chart.

  • waterbogan@lemmy.worldEnglish
    20·
    5 个月前

    What is varishangout…net? Initially read it as yarishangout.net and wondered why a space for Toyota Yaris owners got defedded. Also wondering how stereophonic.space got defedded?

  • quindraco@lemm.eeEnglish
    218·
    5 个月前

    You thankfully appear to have not been exposed to a “proper” hexbear thread where all they can do to communicate is call you a shitlib for doing things like acknowledging genocide.

    • matcha_addict@lemy.lolEnglish
      23·
      5 个月前

      Do you have examples? I am not doubting, since I’ve seen loads of people saying it. But I’ve never come across it myself.

      • quindraco@lemm.eeEnglish
        92·
        5 个月前

        I have the entire instance blocked in my client, so I can’t even go searching for a thread for you. But if you don’t, it should be incredibly easy to poke the hexbear, so to speak. Lemme grab you a link…

        Here, this one should work. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China

        Find an appropriate sublemmy on Hexbear and post this, ideally in a context that explicitly declares you oppose genocide. You’ll get nothing but the following in your thread:

        1. Accusations that you are a “shitlib”. Any attempt by you to find out what this word means will result in additional mockery.
        2. Denials of the Uyghur genocide.
        3. Adoration of the CCP, especially Xi Jinping (but Hexbear likes any authoritarian tyrant in China, so any CCP politician may end up adulated).
        • matcha_addict@lemy.lolEnglish
          11·
          5 个月前

          I do agree that the hard left seems to enjoy using “liberal” as an insult, knowing that what most Americans interpret as “liberal” is different than the academic definition they use. It needlessly diverts the conversation and makes them think they’re superior.

          Saying “shitlib” is even worse. Basically an adhom attack, not acceptable when the other party is being civil and respectful.

          On #2 and #3, I don’t think that is relevant to the original accusation. Of course they will uphold their own views. But #1 is very valid. Though I wish to see examples of it because I have not.

        • Sootius@lemmy.worldEnglish
          412·
          5 个月前

          Lol. Absolute nonsense. Every time anyone is asked for an example of bad Hexbear behaviour they can only ever say “I HAVE NO EXAMPLES BUT I PROMISE IT WILL HAPPEN”. Speak about other people like they’re human beings pl0x

    • hark@lemmy.worldEnglish
      25·
      5 个月前

      You mean like all the biden supporters on here defending his support for genocide?

  • quindraco@lemm.eeEnglish
    131·
    5 个月前

    Yeah? Can you provide even 1 example of someone on Hexbear posting something a) civil and b) not fascist?

    • noisefree@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      5 个月前

      Some mobile clients open the thumbnail version of images. If you instruct your client to open the image in a browser, you’ll see that the url has thumbnail instructions appended to the end and those can be trimmed off of the end to show the full image.

      • Psythik@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        5 个月前

        What mobile clients are those and why are people using them? The image displays perfectly in Voyager.

    • wizzor@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      7·
      5 个月前

      On sync at least if you open tall images from the post it will be readable.

  • FiniteBanjo@lemmy.todayEnglish
    8·
    5 个月前

    The only things I know about Kiwifarms is that it was a federated instance and that Cloudflare got flak for not taking them down sooner.