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Okay here’s my pirate joke.
A ship is sailing the high seas when the crows nest guy calls down, “Pirate ship ahoy!” The captain tells the cabin boy, “Fetch my reddest jacket!” The boy brings the reddest jacket he can find and the captain puts it on. They engage in battle and sink the pirate ship. The boy asks, “Cap’n, why did you call for your red jacket?” The captain says, “So that if I should be wounded in battle the crew would not notice the blood and lose their fighting spirit.”
Next day the crows nest calls down, “Twenty pirate ships ahoy!” The captain tells the cabin boy, “Fetch by brownest pants!”
Well since we’re telling pirate jokes…
A guy is at a party and sees a pirate coming towards him. He notices as the pirate approaches that the pirate has a little wheel sticking out of his pants.
Naturally curious, the guy asks the pirate, “why do you have a little wheel sticking out of your pants?”
“Arr,” says the pirate. “I don’t know, but it be drivin’ me nuts!”
How appropriate! You fight like a cow.
That is a sail…
It’s a multifunctional sail.
Do they also pronounce “human” as “hugh mon?”
If so, that’s a Ferenghi ship.
Not as bad as the ones that call women femoids.
is… Is that a thing?
It’s an incel thing.
It’s very prevalent on 4chan and the like if you want to look at it and be depressed for a bit
I’ve been 4chan-free for a very long time and want to keep it that way.
I don’t even want to look at greentext stuff people post elsewhere.
female as an adjective for clarification (like “oh you’re looking for that female doctor over there”) is ok, female as a noun is just weird
There are contexts where it makes sense, mostly medicine or science, but even in those contexts it’s deliberately dehumanizing, which is the point. It is also the only English word for a female human that does not imply age, as woman and girl both do.
The quick sniff test: “Males and females”? Clinical, but probably fine. “Men and females”? Fucking Ferengi freak, avoid that guy
Unless you’re speaking about (non human) animals. Saying a dog is a female is fine.
Excuse me, but my dog is a lady.
(An obnoxious, clumsy, stupid lady but…)
I knew it! Once I suggested this to someone assuming they’re, like me, not a native speaker, and got downvoted to hell. Turned out I was too woke.
But isn’t calling her a bitch also fine in this case?
To be fair, the existence of animal breeders is not fine.
true! connotation is a weird thing.
Uterus having creatures
Squishy Chested Humans
Temperamental Beings
Confusing Loud Wind Atronach
Ever Bleeding Never Dying
Human human Grower
I personally like “Men v2.0”
I wonder if the joke would work better if it actually was a black background. This might also keep the ‘its a sail’ gang happier.
These very same people would have no problem calling women ‘people that birth’.
Otoh, some women use this while referring to other women, e.g. “us females need to stick together!” - in a totally positive and inclusive manner (or what looks like that, from me on the outside - i.e. not using language in such manner myself, for either men or women).
So maybe instead of a red flag it’s more like an orange one? VERY noteworthy, but not enough on its own to justify cutting off contact with someone, whereas for an actual red flag you would… right?
Drag wonders why that woman chose to say females instead of women. It’s a very odd way to phrase it, and the only practical consequence of the change is to exclude trans women. Was that the intention?
I’ve seen you around Lemmy for a little while now. Why do you insist on referring to yourself in the 3rd person?
Due to claims that drag is always changing the subject to drag’s pronouns, drag has a rule about talking about drag’s pronouns on threads that aren’t about them. Drag will only talk about drag’s pronouns if somebody says “I want to change the subject to drag’s pronouns”. Drag isn’t going to change the subject to drag’s pronouns, somebody else has to, and clearly state they are doing so.
Well, women can be sexist too, even about one’s own gender, so indeed that’s a possibility. But as someone else mentioned on this thread, its usage seemed to predate trans really becoming known as being a thing (at least in the surgical sense).
So I - who really knows nothing and isn’t really involved, but nonetheless I’ll still tell you my opinion! (bc you asked, ofc:-) - say: when in doubt, check the other factors. Perhaps she merely needs educated. Or perhaps we should not nitpick every tiny thing. Then again, is it really nitpicking to tell a woman that she is a human being?
Anyway it still gets back to: is it a RED flag? And if so, what then - like is it worth having any further conversations at all with a person who uses such language? And for that, I say: use one’s best judgement.
Then again, perhaps my thinking is outdated - bc NOW it is used to exclude trans women. Sort of? In some contexts it is, while in others it might not?
But I can’t recall ever having used it personally, so I cannot really say why this would do such a thing.
It can be both! A lot of women, such as JK Rowling, think the only worth they have as women is having a uterus and being conditioned to think less of themselves by a patriarchal society. If trans women are valid, that means women don’t have to exist for making babies. That means women can be raised to have self esteem. The fact that these things are an option, and these women didn’t get to have that privilege, breaks their hearts. Growing up trans is traumatizing, but these TERFs only focus on the privileges, like not having to deal with periods. They’re jealous. Too jealous to accept it. They have to believe that womanhood is suffering, or they’d instead have to accept that the suffering they endured was unnecessary.
It is complex, and probably we can’t get too deep into it in this community, but yeah, a lot of people engage in fanciful thinking rather than live in reality - and some of those people are kind while some are the opposite. e.g. I want to be kind in thinking that as people age they find it harder to stretch themselves to consider new ideas - but is that even true, or just something that was made up, like will we become that way at some point? I used to think so… but I no longer do.
And in case you are wondering how you could have missed the point of what I was trying to say… it’s not you, as there simply isn’t one:-).
Most people get weaker as they age. But that’s because most people sit on their asses all day. Serious injuries do accrue, and they do make it harder. But back pain at 30 isn’t the way humans are supposed to work. The people who refuse to accept old age, and who keep working on their fitness, are the 60 year olds who run marathons. Not everyone gets to have that option, but it’s only the people who are both lucky AND stubborn who do. Nobody who lies down and accepts the passage of time gets to age gracefully.
Brains work the same way. People get lazy. They think what’s happening is inevitable. They stop exercising, and their fitness diminishes. Self fulfilling prophecy. The dumbest old people drag has known were the ones with low self esteem. The ones who believed in themselves stayed sharp.
Exactly - it’s like how Boomers claim to be the only ones with knowledge (“just do what we tell you, you stupid kids!”), as they hand nations (USA, UK, Germany upcoming, Brazil, and most every other nation on earth as well) over to totalitarian regimes. We used to fight the Nazis… now their kids have become them, or rather set their children upon the path to fairly soon become thus. So now I don’t know what to believe.
Though if women are females, and females are women, then if both were true, then why couldn’t either word fill in for one another - what am I missing here?
Though if women are females, and females are women,
But neither of those is true. Some “females” identify as men, and some “non-females” identify as women.
Also, think about the difference in the meaning of the words. One is an identity. One is biology; physical machinery. You know when corporations refer to people as “consumers”? It’s gross, right? Reducing complex three dimensional people to an economic function. Reducing people to a biological function is also gross.
You people have some weird hangups.
How do I formally refer to a girl I do not respect(because she’s a menace) who is late 40’s early 50’s? So the different terms have implications I don’t care for it want to convey.
bitch, or even better, motherfucking bitch asshole
Karen?
I would get creative with it, just because she’s horrible doesn’t mean you don’t get to have a good time. “The purveyor of lies”, “fount of unreason”, maybe give her a nickname that relates to one of her mistakes. If you can come up with something new every time it can become like a game, even if you’re only saying them in your head.
Good time of what?
Have a good time coming up with insulting names
Ahh yeah. 🤣
I’ve been going with troll lately.
Wench? Maybe hag?
I might like a wench.
Someone in their late 40s is not a girl.
Right, so I’m not calling her that.
It definitely looks like you are.
From the point of view of that girl you’re a red flag anyway. But “a menace” works too.
Red flag? I’m not trying to date my dangerous old hag of a downstairs neighbor. I’m actually filling a restraining order against her.
Yeah I mean, if people were filing restraining orders against me, I’d certainly take that as a red flag to avoid them 😅
I can’t remember how many times I’ve heard women refer to “males” but if we call them females that’s offensive?
Who the hell are you hanging out with? I’d say the term female is used way more often than male.
The American left has gone just as insane and extremist as the right. Here in Canada we’re wondering what you people are on. Even my wife says you’re an idiot if you’re offended by the word “female”.
The American left has gone just as insane and extremist as the right.
Maybe stop consuming so much biased news?
Yeah we aren’t insane in my country like you guys. We’re watching from the outside, and you guys are utterly blind and lack any sense of personal responsibility
…I’m Canadian
Then stop jerking off to American politicians
The pot calling the kettle black?
Even my wife says you’re an idiot if you can’t understand that language is constantly changing and evolving. Female has become an undesirable work to use to describe women, as it’s so often used by incels and other undesirable groups of people. In combination with the fact that female describes one’s junk, not how they identify, it just isn’t a good word to use when you’re actually talking about women.
Yet many many women disagree with you. So maybe don’t be such an authoritarian and hateful towards those that aren’t as “enlightened” as you. I’m sure your farts smell like cinnamon, that’s why you think you’re better than everyone. That’s one of the big issues with today’s left and why the older ones think you’re nuts, you’re all so hateful and talk down to everyone and demand, with very fascist authority, that everyone to follow your view.
I had sex with a female yesterday.
/s
Human?
Maybe… The femoid also says she loves when I compile the Linux kernel
Oh, it’s a fembot.
It really is just an anti-trans thing.
Naw, they were using that before all the anti trans nonsense. It’s more about their inability to see women as human. They identify them more for their gender than being the same species as them. If they started calling them women that would humanize women too much…
Nah, it was a thing for weird dudes well before trans rights entered the public consciousness.
I call women “femei”
Is it bad?
