It’s wild that some people do genuinely believe the earth is only 6000 years old.
There are human-made artefacts you can go look at in a museum right now, potentially even touch with your own hands, that are older than 6000 years old.
Even if you refused to accept other archaeological evidence, recorded human history goes back about 10000 years. So are those 4000 years worth of humans just non-existent?
((Edit - @[email protected] is kinda right. The very earliest of proto-writing, for when one could even argue that recorded history begins, is around 6000-6600 years ago. So that actually would be within the Christian faith timeline, but just barely. And I seriously doubt the Christians had these people in mind as their earliest ancestors.))
Like it really must take some proper mental gymnastics to deny something you can see with your own eyes and say some demon made it all up specifically to fuck with Christians.
“I do not understand,” reads an ancient line of pictographs depicting the sun, the moon, water, and a Sumerian who appears to be scratching his head. “A booming voice is saying, ’Let there be light,’ but there is already light. It is saying, ’Let the earth bring forth grass,’ but I am already standing on grass.”
“Everything is here already,” the pictograph continues. “We do not need more stars.”
(thank you for sharing the link. i hadn’t read that one yet and it’s very good <3)
And as I understand it, the aboriginese can actually “read” the stensils and paintings. A continuous culture over 40k years old…
It would be like we could read and understand the Lascaux Cave paintings like modern signs. And they are freshly painted compared to the Australian stuff at a mere 20k years old.
Around 1400 AD, the word “dildo” was first used. It derives from the Latin word “dilatare,” which means “open wide,” and the Italian word “diletto,” which means “delight.”
Like it really must take some proper mental gymnastics to deny something you can see with your own eyes and say some demon made it all up specifically to fuck with Christians.
Well, you can’t see the age of a thing. And young-earth creationists certainly don’t understand how we know the ages of things. So instead, they believe what they’re told by people they trust, and those people say shit like “were you there?”
And honestly, my response (if it ever comes up) will be this: “Yes. I was there. I am God. I was there before there was. I formed this world from nothing. I am your God. Worship me.” And if they question any of that, I will respond with “WERE YOU THERE?!! CUZ I FUCKING WAS!!! AND I SURE AS HELL DIDN’T SEE YOU THERE!!!” followed by “PROVE ME WRONG”
Well I’m pretty sure you can boil ALL science down to a simple equation. 1 + 1 = 2. Then science is built up from that. Until 1 + 1 isn’t equal to 2, I’ll go ahead and trust in science.
While that is a valid argument for someone to make, I’d counter by saying that science is fundamentally built on the idea of empiricism and falsifiability.
With enough time, money, and the right equipment you could theoretically retrace every discovery science has ever made, from the stone age to the modern day Dr. Stone style.
Whereas the same really cannot be said for Religion. You can’t test for God. You can’t discover a miracle. There’s no hard evidence, only belief.
Now try explaining that to someone who thinks science is a matter of belief. Spoilers: they will stop paying attention after you say “empiricism and falsifiability”.
Yeah. Fair enough. That counter only really works against someone playing devil’s advocate or who would actually hear you out.
It’d have to be a bit snappier otherwise. Probably just “Every scientific discovery ever made could be retested and remade if you had enough time and money. There’s no test on Earth you can do to actually show me God”
Exactly. By the time you get to 6500 years ago, humanity has already been doing settlements and agriculture that we have archeological evidence of for 1000s of years.
Judging from the estimated timeline of humanity, 6500 years wouldn’t even be long enough for us to migrate beyond the hunter-gatherer system and stone tools.
Our ancestors had 100,000s of years, and we only got to settlements and agriculture maybe 10-20K years ago.
Also mind biological changes aren’t really quick (but sometimes spontaneous, yes) and even I can now talk about things that happened in two different centuries. So a few thousand years aren’t even that much generations (even if you count shorter lifespan but that is mostly a statistical thing due to high death rate of babies).
You’re very much right. Complex writing systems like we have now begin around 4000-5000 years ago.
You can get closer to the right number with proto-writing systems, but unfortunately just barely within what the Christian faith allows.
I guess the Christians can take the W on that one, discounting all over physical evidence of humanity’s existence beyond 6500 years ago.
It’s wild that some people do genuinely believe the earth is only 6000 years old.
There are human-made artefacts you can go look at in a museum right now, potentially even touch with your own hands, that are older than 6000 years old.
Even if you refused to accept other archaeological evidence, recorded human history goes back about 10000 years. So are those 4000 years worth of humans just non-existent?((Edit - @[email protected] is kinda right. The very earliest of proto-writing, for when one could even argue that recorded history begins, is around 6000-6600 years ago. So that actually would be within the Christian faith timeline, but just barely. And I seriously doubt the Christians had these people in mind as their earliest ancestors.))
Like it really must take some proper mental gymnastics to deny something you can see with your own eyes and say some demon made it all up specifically to fuck with Christians.
Quite easy to explain: 6000-6500 years ago, when god created the world, it put those things there during the creation process for… reasons.
Checkmate atheists!
Because he’s a trickster! Haha! And if you fall for one of his tricks, he sends you to hell! For eternity!
The sanest worldview.
No, you see, the devil, who is a trickster and definitely not the same entity as God, created those fake artifacts to own the libs
And God, all-powerful and in control of everything, just let him do it. He could stop the devil but he just…doesn’t.
Somebody’s gotta give these babies cancer.
And the Devil was an angel that went woke!
I hate that guy!
It seemed so plausible!
This is just last-thursdayism with extra steps
So when someone complains like this, you ask them if they are saying God can’t create 300 million year old caves when he created the world?
It’s to test the belief of christians of course.
https://theonion.com/sumerians-look-on-in-confusion-as-god-creates-world-1819571221/
(thank you for sharing the link. i hadn’t read that one yet and it’s very good <3)
In North Africa 40,000 years old tools have been found as well
There is also hand stencil art in places like Indonesia and Australia from 67,800 years ago
And as I understand it, the aboriginese can actually “read” the stensils and paintings. A continuous culture over 40k years old…
It would be like we could read and understand the Lascaux Cave paintings like modern signs. And they are freshly painted compared to the Australian stuff at a mere 20k years old.
This does not get the attention it deserves
We’ve found 28,000 year old dildos.
To be clear, yes there are sex toys older than Christians think the world is old.
Well, that is definitely something I hadn’t read before
It’s my favorite argument against young earth creationists. 28k year old dildo, your argument is invalid.
Well, you can’t see the age of a thing. And young-earth creationists certainly don’t understand how we know the ages of things. So instead, they believe what they’re told by people they trust, and those people say shit like “were you there?”
And honestly, my response (if it ever comes up) will be this: “Yes. I was there. I am God. I was there before there was. I formed this world from nothing. I am your God. Worship me.” And if they question any of that, I will respond with “WERE YOU THERE?!! CUZ I FUCKING WAS!!! AND I SURE AS HELL DIDN’T SEE YOU THERE!!!” followed by “PROVE ME WRONG”
Thank you, have a nice day/night <3
We can count tree rings to 12000 years ago with our eyeballs. You don’t even need any fancy tools.
For a lot of people, science is just a matter of believing in something someone tells you, no different from religion…
Well I’m pretty sure you can boil ALL science down to a simple equation. 1 + 1 = 2. Then science is built up from that. Until 1 + 1 isn’t equal to 2, I’ll go ahead and trust in science.
While that is a valid argument for someone to make, I’d counter by saying that science is fundamentally built on the idea of empiricism and falsifiability.
With enough time, money, and the right equipment you could theoretically retrace every discovery science has ever made, from the stone age to the modern day Dr. Stone style.
Whereas the same really cannot be said for Religion. You can’t test for God. You can’t discover a miracle. There’s no hard evidence, only belief.
Now try explaining that to someone who thinks science is a matter of belief. Spoilers: they will stop paying attention after you say “empiricism and falsifiability”.
Yeah. Fair enough. That counter only really works against someone playing devil’s advocate or who would actually hear you out.
It’d have to be a bit snappier otherwise. Probably just “Every scientific discovery ever made could be retested and remade if you had enough time and money. There’s no test on Earth you can do to actually show me God”
Humanity in 6k years would be quite the speedrun at a humorous glance.
Any other perspective arguing this is absolute lunacy.
Exactly. By the time you get to 6500 years ago, humanity has already been doing settlements and agriculture that we have archeological evidence of for 1000s of years.
Judging from the estimated timeline of humanity, 6500 years wouldn’t even be long enough for us to migrate beyond the hunter-gatherer system and stone tools.
Our ancestors had 100,000s of years, and we only got to settlements and agriculture maybe 10-20K years ago.
Also mind biological changes aren’t really quick (but sometimes spontaneous, yes) and even I can now talk about things that happened in two different centuries. So a few thousand years aren’t even that much generations (even if you count shorter lifespan but that is mostly a statistical thing due to high death rate of babies).
Recorded human history doesn’t go back 10’000 years. It’s closer to 5000 years.
You’re very much right. Complex writing systems like we have now begin around 4000-5000 years ago. You can get closer to the right number with proto-writing systems, but unfortunately just barely within what the Christian faith allows.
I guess the Christians can take the W on that one, discounting all over physical evidence of humanity’s existence beyond 6500 years ago.