• BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world
    11·
    11 小时前

    Sounds like unachievable utopia. And with Mamdanis wonderful “grocery stores” idea it looks like he has no idea what he’s doing.

    • huppakee@lemmy.world
      81·
      1 天前

      Do you mean the Christianity inside or outside the US? Because to me this does not in anyway sound like US Christianity. Maybe a little bit their preaching, but surely not their actions.

      • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
        2·
        11 小时前

        This is what the bible promotes. But to be fair it also promotes a lot of things that are less palatable, like stoning you to death for wearing clothes of two different fabrics.

        However, Christianity in the US has largely (not entirely) been overtaken by the “prosperity gospel” where if you’re rich and healthy, that means you’re a good person because God provided for you and if you’re poor or sick, well, God must not love you, therefore bad person.

        Also the bible has so many contradictions in it that you can basically put out whatever message you want by cherry picking passages. No idea if that’s by design or not.

          • doingthestuff@lemy.lolEnglish
            5·
            1 天前

            There is a lot of history and present action like that. It’s the mega churches that generally suck the most, and generally the wealthiest of churches. Most food banks in the US are run by Christian organizations if not directly by a church.

            • huppakee@lemmy.world
              21·
              1 天前

              Here there are plenty of Christian organizations as well doing very good things, but in general the people most vocal about doing Christian things are not more about people following their rules than about doing something meaningful for people in need. Seeing the current regime embracing Christianity while also limiting food aid or killing people without a trial in international waters remind me more of the type that talk(!) about Christian values, than that it reminds me of the people who work at a food bank or a homeless shelter.

              • doingthestuff@lemy.lolEnglish
                1·
                1 天前

                If you’re talking about Trump, that makes sense, although despite the pseudo Christian cult around him, Trump is certainly not a Christian. He doesn’t even understand Christianity which is clear from a number of his statements about it. No surprise there.

              • Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world
                4·
                1 天前

                Both. First they talk about it. Then they do it. What’s your beef? Do you have personal reasons to dislike Christianity, or have you just been in the echo chamber too long?

                • huppakee@lemmy.world
                  12·
                  1 天前

                  I have no dislike of Christianity in particular, i have a problem with religion as a tool to make a distinction between us and them. I am aware I am doing it too, but I am not an institution. The point of my question, which was genuine, was to understand your comment better. It is meaner than necessary.

  • jtrek@startrek.website
    841·
    2 天前

    I’m still haunted by the realization that conservatives want hierarchy. They want underclasses. Even when they’re not the top! They don’t want free health care because then the wrong sort of people will get it!

    They’re bad people! It’s not about “cost” or market efficiency or anything else they say.

    • jimmy90@lemmy.world
      12·
      8 小时前

      have you even read the policies of the DSA

      you hide behind “we just want healthcare for all” like the fundamentalist cowards you are

      • jtrek@startrek.website
        1·
        7 小时前

        Name calling aside, what policies are you reacting so viscerally against? Please, share a credible (eg: not some third party on YouTube) source and explanation.

    • underscores@lemmy.zipEnglish
      28·
      2 天前

      This is why when people post anti-right wing messages they don’t realize it’s not the right angle

      Wrong angle: they only want the top class to access health care

      Right angle: most Americans cannot afford to see doctors

      This is because they read the message and think “hell yeah fuck em [derogatory word]s”

      To address far right people. You ALWAYS have to frame it in a way where it’s about THEMSELVES.

      It’s the same thing with anti-left wing messages. You’ll see fox News going “antifa wants more of our tax dollars to feed children”. It’s like …hell yeah.

    • Oyml77@lemmy.today
      10·
      1 天前

      People on the left have a belief that society should benefit everyone. No one should suffer from too little when someone has excess. It’s a pretty basic tenet of progressive belief.

      People on the right vote like they don’t believe in society at all. They vote like everyone should fend for themselves and fuck the rest. Then they complain when their government benefits get cut and the prices get too high because it wasn’t supposed to be them that got fucked. They weren’t supposed to be the “rest.”

      I don’t think they understand that progressive policies are intended to help the most racist piece-of-shit MAGA fuckwits as much as anyone else. They only want to have it better than someone, ANYONE else, so they aren’t at the bottom rung.

      • Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org
        13·
        1 天前

        Although I’d say that the correct thing to do is only help the ones who really deserve it (and MAGA, incels, “High Value Maless” KKK and all that actually don’t deserve that, just as PETA [better known as animal killers], femcels, “High Value Womans”, and radical far-leftists shouldn’t).

    • FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works
      8·
      2 天前

      Yeah, well you see, they are in the middle of said hierarchy , they are happy being in the middle of the hierarchy, they just don’t anyone else to climb the ranks

    • Malyca@lemmy.zip
      5·
      2 天前

      20% are predisposed to this kind of thinking and they make up the bulk of fascists.

    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      91·
      1 天前

      Remember when Jesus freed the slaves of Jerusalem? What a badass section of the Bible

      Oh wait no that never happened. In fact, Jesus never even spoke negatively about slavery.

      Bummer.

      But sure, I guess other than completely ignoring the concept of owning a person in the same way you own oxen, he really wanted everyone to care about one another.

      • cravl@slrpnk.net
        43·
        1 天前

        That’s because slavery in that culture was not what we think of when we think of slavery today. There are numerous passages throughout the Old and New Testaments detailing how slaves were to be treated with the utmost respect, which was otherwise unheard of in antiquity. To give just one example:

        If your brother, a Hebrew man or a Hebrew woman, is sold[a] to you, he shall serve you six years, and in the seventh year you shall let him go free from you. And when you let him go free from you, you shall not let him go empty-handed. You shall furnish him liberally out of your flock, out of your threshing floor, and out of your winepress. As the Lord your God has blessed you, you shall give to him. You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God redeemed you; therefore I command you this today. But if he says to you, ‘I will not go out from you,’ because he loves you and your household, since he is well-off with you, then you shall take an awl, and put it through his ear into the door, and he shall be your slave[b] forever. And to your female slave[c] you shall do the same. It shall not seem hard to you when you let him go free from you, for at half the cost of a hired worker he has served you six years. So the Lord your God will bless you in all that you do.

        – Deuteronomy 15:12-18

        [a]: Or sells himself

        [b,c]: Or servent. The Hebrew term ébed is used to describe a wide range of socioeconomic roles. (The Greek word doulos in the New Testament is similar, as in Colossians 4:1.)

        God wanted them to be treated as family. It was basically a structured mutual aid partnership.

        Criticism without research doesn’t mean much.

        • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          2·
          11 小时前

          Oh I’m sorry is that quote supposed to make slavery seem ok?

          Guys it’s not a big deal because the Bible had rules about buying and selling humans for labor and profit.

          Treated like family

          Except you skipped Exodus 21:20

          20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

          Fuck right off with this “slaves were meant to be treated like family” revisionist bullshit

          I’m sure you need to tell yourself that to feel ok about your hateful, awful, vacuous religion, but it’s insultingy ahistorical.

          Even your own fucking book doesn’t agree

          Does your family also have a clause where if they get pregnant, you get to own and enslave the offspring? Wow super family like, guys (see edit below for text of Leviticus 25:44-55)

          Your reply frankly disgusts me.

          Without research… Sure you want to go there bud? Sure you don’t want your disgusting beliefs strewn about this public forum for all to see?

          I bet I know more about it than you do. The thing is, I’m also familiar with (like actual, real) history so I’m aware of what slavery actually was like in those times. Not through the mouth of a lying, destructive, bigoted book. But you have no interest in that do you?

          Time to go back to your pastor with some questions, big guy.

          Edit:

          Here’s the verse to backup the clause I mentioned above:

          As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. 45 You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. 46 You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.

          Leviticus 25:44-55

          Fucking gross. “Don’t treat one another ruthlessly, however, you are allowed to rape your slaves and then own their children”

        • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          1·
          11 小时前

          Oh now hold on, the verses you quoted were missing some context. Let me add some:

          3 If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free.

          Exodus 21:3

          So you can rape your slaves and then own the offspring. Why would you choose to leave that part out and then call me uneducated?

          And as the other comment said, this is specifically about Hebrew slaves. Which is interesting since the other verse I posted seemed pretty clear about picking up slaves in conquered lands (fucking ew).

          So not only is it evil and gross, but there is a double standard.

          But that said you’re still allowed to rape them and enslave their kids, so Yahweh truly is fair.

          Edit: I just saw the part about how the relationship between a slave and their owner was like a mutual aid relationship. You should be fucking ashamed of yourself.

          • cravl@slrpnk.net
            1·
            5 小时前

            I tried to give as much context as I could without creating an absolute wall of text, which is why I didn’t quote the entire chapter. If you’re not earnest about continually trying to learn more and identify your own biases, that makes me really sad, but I’m not dumb enough to think I can change your mind. I’ll try to provide some context anyway, for anyone else reading your comment.

            1. Nowhere does the Bible condone rape. Period. Such behavior is always very clearly defined to be sin that must be atoned for, including by stoning when called for. (See the latter half of Deuteronomy 22 for a good overview.) Arranged marriage was a thing in the Old Testament, but the framework was very strict to avoid abuse.

            2. Yes, rules for non-Hebrew slaves were different from Hebrew slaves, but the standards for how they were to be treated were still higher than elsewhere.

            3. Any competant philosopher, historian, or sociologist will tell you that you can’t judge past cultures by the morals of today. Yeah, picking up slaves from conquered lands today would be considered barbaric, but that’s not the culture they lived in. Lots more I want to say about how that changed in the New Testament (Galatians 3:28, etc). But again, I don’t like walls of text in comments. I’m happy to answer DMs all day long.

            4. Where did I call you uneducated? If that’s what you got, I can assure you it didn’t come from me. You are free to believe what you wish, I can’t nor would I ever wish to force you.

  • brachiosaurus@mander.xyz
    7·
    2 天前

    I don’t know of any single person who actually use threads, write the fucking thing yourself and don’t give them ads. Stop upvoting this format.

  • rayyy@piefed.socialEnglish
    3·
    1 天前

    It is all about what the oligarchs want and how they can manipulate the masses to support their agenda. Turns out it is quit easy to get folks to support hating their neighbors, and even hang themselves out to dry.

    • Ravenheart@lemmy.zip
      1·
      1 天前

      Yet they’re okay with war and genocide, even though that costs them money too. It’s clearly not about the money. The point is cruelty.