A sailor who jumped from the USS Abraham Lincoln this month in what his wife described as a suicide attempt is now facing disciplinary action from the Navy, according to his wife and charging documents reviewed by MS NOW.
An armed forces service member self-harming is intentionally damaging government property. They can’t just let people get away with that.
The couple, who are both 19, share a 3½-year-old son and welcomed a daughter in February
:does some quick math:
Ouch.
Oh, yeah, that’ll fix morale.
The beatings will continue until morale improves
Finding out this is kind of how the US militaries work. Don’t think I’ll look at servicemen the same way again
Where did people think “the floggings will continue until moral improves” came from? Its to some degree how all militaries work.
Yeah. I just had some people in my personal life who were good at separating their work from how they treated my family or me. Lately I’m kind of questioning if they ever really did or if civilians are some kind of lesser human to them and they see most people as weak.
No, most people in the military are just normal people. There’s assholes in all walks of life.
And yet the men who caused all this will face none. Hopefully the military will realize sooner rather than later this Administration isn’t their Ally
the beatings will continue.
Smithers, release the hounds 👏
The punishment for jumping overboard is walking the plank!
Hard to have sympathy for anyone who enlisted in this country’s military.
Context: IANAL, it’s been over a decade since my story, so details might be dated or incorrect. I don’t fully agree with the process.
I think this is normal. I knew a guy commit suicide and they still did this. To be clear, the young man passed away. I think it’s supposed to get help where it’s needed, raise accountability, and to make final determinations regarding benefits. It’s definitely a reactive policy, causes more harm than good, and oftentimes is too late.
I’m pretty sure none of the disciplinary charges will stick if it’s proved a genuine suicide attempt. It’s really difficult to prove otherwise, even without knowing the things we do that lead up to this.
I hope he gets the care and support he needs, it’s going to be rough.
I don’t know why so many go into the army when so many wars where pointless and solved nothing or made things worse. They don’t serve the country, they serve the billionaires.
Because recruiters target poor, dumb children and fill their heads with lies.
I had to take the ASVAB in school. I phoned it in and got an 88/99. A passing score was in the 20s depending on the branch. And every one of those fuckers harassed me trying to feed me lies about joining.
Poverty
Armies in different countries do different things.
In Canada, I entered the as it’s how poor kids get a college education. End-of.
Our army isn’t the same as the seppo grunts, as we are an armed force and that’s an idea drilled into us regularly. We’re solders second, an armed force first.
Take away the guns and there’s still a lotta value in a bunch of people trained in coordinating and communicating, who know CPR and how to work a radio, who can work as a unit, even if it’s not doing shooty-pow-pow. And ammo’s pricy anyway.
Its often called the poverty draft. Its basically the only way to get access to socialised medicine (VA benefits), housing (VA subsidized loans), and education (GI bill).
yup. military folk live in a scocialized us that the rest of us don’t.
You can only get people to sacrifice themselves for the military if you withhold the things required to live.
Drive through bumfuck, nowhere in the US. You’ll find a town of about 5-10k population, an hours drive from civilization, and it will be full of dilapidated ruins of houses.
Every road in/out of town will have a billboard telling you to join the marines.
And not to have an abortion.
There is always a third billboard to tell you gawd has the answers and to go to church.
Y’all described playing geo guessr in USA only mode.
Alternate billboards accepted are:
Payday loans
No money down w12/yr financing auto loans
And either a giant Jesus sign or a giant cross somewhere
Propaganda and desperation. We would literally need an anti-recruitment campaign to discourage people from signing up in high schools everywhere but the alternatives aren’t exactly appealing.
Imagine spreading propaganda. A lot of influencers are sponsored by the military and they find new ways to hire new people. And with all those personnel and money they still lose wars. A lot of that money should have been spent for healthcare and education.
Watching the excitement over the recent Top Gun sequel made me sick, there’s no need to glorify our ongoing terror campaigns like that.
Free health care, education, and a leased commaro.
C’mon now, sometimes it’s a 21% APR loan Camaro!
All the responses are correct. These days it’s a complicated web of various factors, but the academic term I was taught for it was social caging (yeah, I know I probably misspelled that). In short, the state seeks its continued existence (and its existence is solely dependent on the violence of the military and police (and yeah, I know, I’m oversimplifying it)). Therefore, it uses various means of social pressure to encourage military service. Honor, glory, duty, citizenship, etc. The book Starship Troopers puts this into perspective quite well, very much worth a read (completely different from the movie from what I understand) (and no, I don’t agree with the society it puts forth, but I really don’t think the author does either. Read The Forever War afterward, a book written almost in response to Starship Troopers, they are strangely two books best read together).
Right, but youre talking about uneducated poor 18 year olds who have been fed propaganda their entire lives and see it as their only escape while potentially doing something good. And then they get in and theyre beaten down and brainwashed even further.
Theyre basically cultists. We SHOULD hold them accountable for what they do, but the blame does not lay squarely on their shoulders.
Because in the US the military is a good way to get out of poverty. It gives you all the “socialist” stuff you get for free in other countries. You know, free education, health insurance, pensions and disability benefits. It also pays relatively well for someone that has no other skills and qualifications.
You ever been to Ohio? I’d blow up brown kids to get outta that hell hole.
Its zero entry bar, mostly comfortable, well playing job.
I hope they punish him to make an example and his fellow sailors commit mutiny in response
Honestly no one should die alone, fragging would be preferable
Do they still use keelhauling as a punishment?
Christ. Just getting them below the waterline with a ship that big is going to be a gigantic faff.
They actually have a specific rule against jumping from a ship
And get mental health aid, right? Right? No, guess not, based on the decades of lackluster aid from other veterans needing it.
