Andrew Tate has been indicted by Romanian prosecutors for various crimes, including trafficking minors, money laundering, and sex with a minor, according to reports.
Andrew Tate has been indicted by Romanian prosecutors for various crimes, including trafficking minors, money laundering, and sex with a minor, according to reports.
Sex with minors isn’t a thing. It’s called rape.
I don’t think Romanian law sees it like that. Minors above 14 can technically consent to sexual acts with adults, which makes it still illegal, but not rape and carries a much lighter sentence.
German law (and quite a few other European countries) is even more relaxed in that regard, while it’s still technically illegal to have sex with minors aged 14+, if they consented and weren’t somehow pressured etc, there will usually be no prosecution.
It’s only rape if the rapist is poor. If they are rich, it’s called Thursday.
It’s only rape if the rapist is poor. If they are rich, it’s called Republican.
Ftfy
Since this effect lacks a proper name outside of the date, why don’t we invent a new one. I propose Trumpstein.
It was dark humor about the frequency of the offense making it less horrifying.
I’m used to Trumpsteinsday at this point.
Yes.
While I agree, the way the article is worded makes me suspect that is the name of the crime they’re accused of.
Sort of like how Trump was found liable for “sexual abuse”, because the jurisdiction it occurred in strictly defines rape as penis-in-vagina sex. And since he “only” (ugh) used his fingers, it wasn’t technically rape as far as the law was concerned. But the judge who oversaw the case later had to clarify that it would colloquially be referred to as rape, even though that wasn’t the technical term that the lawsuit used. Because Trump was trying to use the “well I wasn’t found liable for rape, so she can’t say I raped her” argument in his defamation lawsuit.
I’ve had sex with a minor, and it was definitely a thing. It wasn’t rape, either.
Were you a minor at the time?
Yes.
Then how is that relevant? This is about an adult having sex with minors, which is rape. All you did with your comment was show that you are trying to defend him. This whole “sex with a minor” thing has been a very talked about deal for over a decade now with all the well known pedophiles in places of power and the media not calling them what they are (rapists).
Other than defending him and the others (Epstein, Trump etc.) I seriously don’t see any reason to make the comment you did.
Uh
I mean, I lost my virginity at 17 to a 19-year-old, and it definitely wasn’t rape.
Obviously there’s not a lot of nuance when you’re talking about a full grown man taking advantage of a minor, but I also think it’s kind of ridiculous to suggest two 16-year-olds having sex, or two teenagers barely on either side of 18, can’t be consensual.
Yes, but what the law says and what is going on in practice are often (or usually) two different things.
In your own example, a forensic psychiatrist might have interrogated you when you were 17 and concluded that you were of sound mind and had the requisite emotional and logical faculty to “consent” in every reasonable definition of the term.
However, the law says that your consent in this case has no legal baring. This is not to undermine your own agency as a 17 year old, but to protect those 17 year olds who were not as well developed as you, or who might be manipulated some how, and so on.
The trade-off is that there usually has to be a complainant. In your own example you or your parents would (in most jurisdictions), need to ask the police to press charges.
Of course, the age of consent varies between jurisdictions. Here I think it’s 16. I went to school with someone who got married when she was 16 because she had become pregnant when she was 15. I didn’t realise at the time how messed up that was.
I’m reminded of the fascinating and macabre history of Pitcairn Island. The abridged version is that in the 1700’s (?) a sailing ship named the Bounty visited Tahiti for several months where many of the crew became involved with Tahitian ladies. Rather than return to their lives they mutinied, and absconded to an uninhabited island with their brides. Much violence and depravity, and later fanatical religious stuff ensued, but ultimately a tiny community of several dozen people survived to the 1990’s. At that time it emerged that underage sex / rape was a common and even celebrated practice. It’s a truly incredible story for a variety of reasons.
Many places have a sliding scale, usually a window of a few years. 19 and 17 was legal under that scale.
That would be crazy otherwise.
John (17 years and 11 months) and Mary (17 years and 5 months) are in an intimate relationship since 6 months and are sexually active.
John hits his birthday and now they can’t have sex for 6 months (otherwise it would be rape).
Exactly
I got my relatively prude vanilla ass handed to me for attempting to draw a distinction between rock stars given social consent and then proceeding to break a law and 70 year old power brokers making false promises to get young women in positions where they cannot say no. I believe that conflating even those two by not acknowledging that they have different terms, is disingenuous to the victims who gave all of zero consent and were not interested in the action, but we’re subject to violence.
To say that few us us here are interested in actually protecting women, just being seen as white knights.
White knights may now proceed to shower me with downvotes.
it’s strange how some of y’all are getting upvoted while i got 18 downvotes and someone calling me a pedophile when i said the same thing
the dogpiling on this website is crazy, it’s just like reddit in that sense
Tone and framing change how people react to an idea.
yeah, true. it’s also i guess this issue being sensitive and people in these very online spaces not realizing they have an extremist view on this which is completely detached from the real world
I think doubling down on “everyone on this site is unreasonable” will not help on the tone front.
i’m aware, i have 30 downvotes on my first comment atp, definitely way past the point where people can assess my comments with a sound mind, so there’s no point in pulling out the silk gloves
It is very hard, without writing a mini essay, to convey all the relavent context, tone and meaning via a text based comment.
Often what people write will end up being interpreted differently by people reading it and different to your intentions.
Also the, for lack of a better term, “dog pile” effect really matters. If the first few people down vote you, that changes how successive people will interpret your message. “Maybe it seems harmless but it’s -3, so I might have missed some context and it’s more nefarious than I realised” etc.
Hope you find your way to a healthier place stranger. Get well soon.
Like in the coal mines?
I love miners. Dirty, filthy miners.
how do you feel about an 18 year old dating a 50 year old?
It is vulgar to bring whataboutery into a discussion about child rape.
it’s not whataboutism, i’m not debating anything, i’m just curious about what that particular user believes
Ah, yes, you’re just curious about that independent of the thread topic and what the person you replied to said…
This is on the same level as a thread about Trumps ICE militia kidnapping an disappearing people and you replying with “ah, but what about that one time Obama wore a tan suit? How do you feel about that?”
All you managed to do with your comment is show that you’re ok with child rape because the age difference might be less, which is real fucking bad.
Maybe make another post to do that? You can ask all kinds of things that way to satiate your curiosity.
why would i respond to a comment with a post?
is the question really that hard to answer?
i’m just curious because some of you guys think a 2 year age gap in a relationship in your later teens is rape while it’s not problematic at all when a freshly turned 18 year old dates or fucks someone decades older. for some people this is black and white to the point of ridiculousness, i’m not saying that particular user is like that, but that’s what the question is for
Kinda a weird hill to die on. But I’ll answer this for you.
Yeah, you need to put the line somewhere. Is it ok to send a 15 year old to war or let them smoke?
They are children is the reason, not the age gap. The fact that’s not obvious to you is disturbing.
You could also use 2 lines for age gap that keep adjusting based on current age, at least for the lower values.
I guess if you are 30 and want to have sex with an 80 year old, you both know what you’re doing at that point.
i don’t understand why i have 17 downvotes and you’re getting upvoted when that’s exactly what i’m advocating for
there’s these things called romeo and juliet laws.
there needs to be a strict border but it could be even higher imo, when combined with reasonable romeo and juliet laws.
the amount of downvotes on my comments has been a wake up call for me to how completely out of touch this website is. there’s not a single person i know that would call a 18 year old having sex with a 16 year old rape. this is just like the insanity ive seen on reddit, which is not surprising as this post is on reddit.world.
this response signals just how chronically online this place is. pretty much nobody in the world thinks this issue is as black and white as people here are making it seem.
yeah, we’re all horrible, you should move along somewhere else where your views are respected. byes
Yes it’s rape, a child is not old enough to make clear decisions and is underage. The law sees anyone under 18 as a child.
Rape
Simple Definition
unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against a person’s will or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent because of mental illness, mental deficiency, intoxication, unconsciousness, or deception
Did you expect other pedophiles to unite here in your defense? You got a lot you need to work out, please talk to a therapist.
that’s the first time i’ve gotten a meme made out of me, i feel honoured
that’s a better reply than calling me a pedophile after i said a 2 year old age gap in your late teens isn’t rape and a 18 year old having sex with much older people is problematic
guess u couldn’t think of a good reply when i called out just how absurd saying that is
calm down, your special interests are showing