Liberals will lie to you and tell you to “just vote in the primary,” but in reality they simply don’t care about trans rights and do not believe there is ever a right time to challenge transphobic Democrats.
First primary: the transphobes hide their colors so you can’t vote against them.
First general election: the snakes reveal their colors, but you can’t vote against the traitors because “blue no matter who.” They tell you to just vote in the next primary.
Second primary: the same people who tell you now “save it for the primary” shift their tune to “we can’t give up an incumbent seat in a purple district!”
Trans people can see through these bad-faith lies. Yet of course, mansplaining trolls will be sure to breathlessly explain “lesser of two evil” math, as if that’s not an argument we haven’t heard a thousand times and already rejected due to its obvious flaws. There’s never a shortage of arrogant cis people who think they know more about trans issues than actual trans people.
Liberals want your votes, not your voices. Be a good little minority and sit down. Shut up. Support the party. You owe the party your support. The party owes you nothing.
EDIT: A few thoughts to address the comment in the thread here:
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You need to get past your team sports approach to politics. I am not advocating voting against Democrats in general. I’m advocating for not voting for the 1% of Democratic candidates that have chosen to become fascist collaborators and adopt Republican positions on trans rights. To trans people, the Democratic party going TERF is a greater danger than the Republican party winning a slim majority in the Senate. The nightmare scenario here is what happened with Labor. Labor has completely fallen to Nazi collaborators. The UK has regressed in trans rights to now be the most transphobic country in Western Europe, and that happened under the rule of a center-left government. The trans people of the UK would have been better off with another term of conservatives than the transphobic labor leaders they elected instead. We don’t need to elect more Fettermans who will turn around and vote against the party the first chance they get. So many people in this thread believe, “you have to vote for the Nazi collaborators, otherwise the Nazis will win!”
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On saving democracy: you are vastly underestimating how difficult that task is. You seem to imagine you can just write a bill that just says, “democracy saved,” and call it a day. Actually saving democracy is going to require stripping powers from the presidency and dismantling the post-9/11 security state. That requires Democratic leaders of moral strength and conviction. It will take leaders willing to look their constituents in the eye and tell them, “I am going to vote for this bill to dismantle ICE. Yes, that means that occasionally an illegal immigrant is going to murder someone. I’m going to vote for this bill to dismantle the NSA’s illegal programs. Yes, that means we may have more terrorist attacks than we would otherwise. It’s worth it to save our Republic.” Saving democracy requires leaders who are literally willing to vote to kill their fellow Americans. Every power you strip away results in a few more people dying. It’s inevitable. And these transphobe Democrats are fundamentally cowards with no inner moral center. They’ll follow any poll or vote for any policy they think will get them power. This kind of person is not capable of saving democracy. You can’t defeat Nazism by voting in Nazi collaborators, and it’s insane to pretend you can.
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Those arguing that trans rights are a minor or insignificant issue? Frankly, if you believe this, you deserve to have your right to vote taken away. If you’re not willing to protect the vulnerable among your community, you deserve whatever evil befalls you. Karma’s a bitch in that way. We can all go to Hell together if that’s the path you choose.
Forgive my ignorance if you can, what laws or policies are top priority for trans people? From the linked article and your post I’m not even sure what to focus on for individual candidates.
Before I go to the trouble of writing a long explanation, can you show me what you’ve researched first on the topic? Don’t take it personally, but this kind of comment can easily be sealioning, so I want to see you put in a bit of effort before I do the same.
2024: “If you accept that the Democrats are fucking over Palestinians and vote for them anyway, then are you going to follow the same logic when they fuck over trans people?”
2026: “If you accept that the Democrats are fucking over trans people and vote for them anyway, then are you going to follow the same logic when they fuck over gay people?”
2028: “If you accept that the Democrats are fucking over gay people and vote for them anyway, then are you going to follow the same logic when they fuck over PoC?”
2030…
This is exactly why you take a stand and nip that shit in the bud. “We will hang together, or we will all hang separately.” The moderate fascists want to chip us away, piece-by-piece, dividing and conquering so that our defeat is inevitable.
We have to draw a fucking line and hold that line, come hell or high water. Why would I stand behind someone who will sell me down the river at the drop of a hat, the moment it’s politically expedient?
Some people will just never understand this. But they can at least understand that it is what we believe, and that we will not abandon and sell out our comrades simply in the “lesser evil.” Whether we face a greater or lesser evil, we must face it united, or all hope is lost. Solidarity is non-negotiable.
if they revoke the allegence to the epstein class and jail them then that is enough for me to vote for them. i do not care which party it is jail the epstein class no matter the cost. the world will be at peace you can fight your culture wars after the main threat is gone and we can move on with our lives your gas lighting us with culture wars is their epstein agenda as always.
But don’t you get it , if the Republicans win it will get worse faster. If you elect Democrat the camps they eventually agree too send you to will be so much nicer and dignified.
Well Everytime I bring up that the only way out of this is with a barrel of a gun and some targeted assassinations I get banned… So enjoy the gulags americucks. YOU FUCKING IDIOTS WILL KILL THOUSANDS OF SCHOOL CHILDREN BEFORE MURDERING PEDOPHILE POLITICIANS. EVIL FUCKS
Well there have been multiple attempts but I don’t think target assassinations would help, we need a general strike, but failing that people just refusing to work is probably about as good as it will get. As long as capitalists can still make the line go up they aren’t going to care and will continue to support and utilize police forces against the rest of us.
Damn this comment remained up, but when I said basically the same thing on a different post in this community it got deleted within 30 minutes. Maybe the mods are lightening up on what’s needed.
Holy fuck. Are you telling me that trans voters and supporters are not going to vote for a Democrat if they’re soft on trans rights? Is that all they’re concerned about? That’s the number one most important thing to them? Have any of them noticed the much bigger issues at play here? Republicans must be voted out of office and yet some of you apparently aren’t that worried about how they’re destroying our country because you won’t vote for their opposition. It’s hard to be principled when you’re fighting an unprincipled opponent.
No. I’m not saying don’t vote for Democrats. All a lot of mouth breathers in this comment section can’t seem to understand that. The point is to not vote for the 1% of Democrats that turn against trans people. Those are the ones you should vote against. In fact, those are the same people who will vote against any bill to save democracy. They believe in nothing but power. You can’t rely on such cowards to pass unpopular laws that could actually save democracy.
I’m saying “don’t vote for more Fettermans,” while you’re over here cheering on the Fetterman caucus.
Republican playbook for years: Make the Dems fight each other over social issues.
seems the trans community dont care about the nation one iota and just wants little trickets to appease them. they are not friends of the world or the nation it means. it wasn’t going to be an issue regardless idk what the heck they are complaining about little titles that mean nothing at all.
If you don’t care enough about my existence to protect my rights, I sure as hell don’t give a fuck if you effectively lose your right to vote. Honestly, you don’t deserve it at that point.
Cool cool cool. So this means we shouldn’t vote for them.
My trans friends on the Kansas side of the border had their drivers licenses pulled because the veto-proof Republican Supermajority in one night made all drivers licenses that had gender not of birth null with no warning and that’s still currently being fought in the courts. Same time they put through a bathroom bill that has a bounty on it for people to call in where someone will have to go to court to prove themselves.
Somehow frankly shocked our Republican supermajority in MO hasn’t done the same, but they’re busy trying to take away our ability to pass laws because we managed to keep abortion legal. Oh… wait… they’re using trans people as the way to entice people to vote the outlawing of abortion again this election.
But we shouldn’t let the dems win.
I think a lot of yall saying this don’t live in red states where the water is already boiling. Best of luck to you, we’re trying our hardest to survive over here.
And how will electing transphobic Democrats help with this issue? They’ll just vote with the Republicans to pass more transphobic laws.
The point is not “Democrats bad.” The point is “transphobe Democrats are bad.” A transphobic Democrat is just a Republican dressed in blue.
I live in Missouri (the St. Charles area) and I don’t support either of these bastards. Missouri is filled with morons though so we’re better off getting air striked than ever seeing any positive change. Put an actual socialist in charge of this state instead of Dems that literally put in their campaign ads that they’re conservatives who think the party went too far so they’re running as Democrats.
You have electoral near-sightedness.
Letting the Republicans win to…
Checks notes
- Protect trans rights
Yes the only power you have is demanding things for your vote. If they believe you are willing to give your vote regardless of them not meeting your demands, then they will obviously not bother to meet them.
i demand the epstein class all be in jail and no other way i will vote for anything they say. i rather country burn otherwise as the source of burning are the epstein class. thats the fact and truth. anything less is treason. let the culture wars go into the toilet until we can achieve this as the epstein class deflect with culture wars.
Your kind of willingness to throw trans people under the bus was actually directly responsible for Epstein getting away with his crimes. The name you’re looking for is Ava Cordero. She was one of Epstein’s first victims to come forward. She’s a trans woman and one of Epstein’s earliest victims.
Her cries were ignored. The newspapers laughed at her. People like you considered the idea of a trans woman being raped to be absolutely hilarious. People like you considered our lives to not be worth protecting. People like you ignored Ava, and people like you allowed Epstein to stay active for another decade.
The attitude you have, that trans issues are an unimportant distraction, directly contributed to all the evil Epstein did. Your beliefs enabled Epstein.
If enough people demanded this then a party would likely step up to the plate. Or even more likely they would lie about it like Trump did last time and then not do it.
Voting for transphobic democrats IS letting Republicans win.
Our choices are dogshit and exploding dogshit. votes for dogshit again sigh
Sorry, I refuse to vote for Nazi collaborators. I reject your Nazi apologetics.
That’s what got the Republicans put in place. There are some political stances that need to be put on the shelf in order to save the country or at least get it to a gliding crash.
No. What got Republicans in place was Democrats abandoning core parts of their base in order to pander to imaginary Republican defectors. That’s what cost Kamala the election. Because vote scolding doesn’t actually get people to vote. Explaining lesser evil theory like a broken record doesn’t get people to vote. People are simply tired of voting for politicians that betray them. I’m sorry, but you aren’t owed anyone’s vote. If you’re willing to sacrifice minority groups to fascists, you deserve whatever the fascists will do to you in turn.
This piece is yet another attempt to break up the Left, which is exactly how the Right keeps winning. Which is much worse, fyi. Kinda obviously at this point.
You’ll never have perfection. Ever. Not ever. Literally never. We never have. We never will. Get over it and look at the bigger picture. Trans people are far worse off under Republican leadership than Democrat.
Their power is unity. Copy it and start winning, or keep this bullshit up and keep losing. Which btw is absolutely worse for trans people. And everyone except the rich…
Liberals are not left, they are right wing.
Liberals aren’t really on the left.
Unity is when you throw your own base under the bus.
A CNN poll indicates that voters viewed trans issues as less important than 10 other topics at issue in the upcoming elections, including the economy, election integrity, voting rights, inflation and healthcare.
I mean… what else is there to say?
That you don’t care what happens to the Trans people that I know and care about?
I’m pretty sure a poll of U.S. voters is a poor indicator of what I, an European, think about trans issues but I would love to hear your theory about how those things are connected.
You have a choice of two lunches.
Stale bread and water OR a steaming pile of rancid horse dung marinated in cow urine and e-thot vomit.
You have electoral near-sightedness and the patience of a child.
How many elections in a row do you have to do this before it works? Ive been hearing this same fucking moronic argument since Darfur 2004 and surely it was alive before then. Wouldn’t you know it, no appreciable change in candidates. You gotta go DO SOMETHING but that’s no reason not to also vote like you’ve got a brain in your head.
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Now hold on. I have now read some of your other comments and you’re suggesting a targeted approach. For you and those who are specifically affected, I DO think that is a sane approach outside of the presidency. There definitely are people though who make the same argument you are making, but instead mean “no one should vote for any Democrat” and that is, to quote myself above, fucking moronic.
I’m sorry for being so acerbic, but we are seeing the same argument in different clothes for climate, for gay rights, for conservation, for AI, and it is patiently intentional for sowing division.
Gotta love the schordinger leftist, simultaneously responsible for the Dems loosing and not significant enough for Dems to pander to.
One loss made Israel toxic enough for few democrats reject AIPAC endorsement or money. Few more losses might give us the lesser of the two evils. A representative democrat party or no US.
It’s not in the top five issues that need immediate attention. And by “immediate” I mean government immediate, of course.
It’s not even in the top ten. The other guys are going to make your lives worse so voting for them “out of spite” is about the stupidest thing a human monkey could do. Human beings “think”. Human monkeys - not so much.
How about lets put our agendas aside and made the United States of AMERICA the main agenda here. Unless you think you’d like to live in Russia, which is exactly where trump will take it if he steals these midterms.
The problem is no transphobic democrat is capable of saving democracy. That requires having a moral backbone and being willing to pass unpopular laws. People who believe in nothing and simply chase polls to power are not going to have the courage necessary to save democracy.
You can’t vote for cowards and then expect bravery.
The house is on fire and they’re complaining we refuse to talk about who does the dishes. I swear this culture has made people so self absorbed they are incapable of seeing when the system they’re a part of needs to be the priority. America could lose it’s democracy in this election and if it does, no amount of nagging is going to help trans rights.
You failed the part of history class where you had to read the “first they came for” poem, didn’t you?
Frankly, if you’re not willing to protect the minorities in your community, then you don’t deserve the right to vote.
You seem to have failed the part of history where minorities get sacrificed before meaningful resistance emerges. Or the part where the system of democracy needs to actually keep existing for trans to have any voice at all.
failed the part of history where minorities get sacrificed before meaningful resistance emerges
Oh, so I need to die for you to have a better world. I’m the martyr you need to inspire you to protect others. Got it. Super cool and not at all fucked up.
You don’t get to dictate the course of events. History shows what will happen. On the scale needed to act, there is no personal choice involved. You aren’t the first or only group to suffer the anger and pain and fear and the injustice of being dependent on a community that refuses to do what is needed to protect you. We are not all in this together and we never were. The gross, ongoing and unfettered abuses of the wealthy and powerful have committed crimes against entire generations and the community continues to do nothing. Given what they are attempting right now, we’re all probably fucked. I’m sorry. I don’t have any hope left for you in America.
Liberals are so openly hateful, and they’re smug and feel superior about it.
Every minority is a sacrifice they’re willing to make.
There is no overlap between the groups of “people who can save democracy” and “transphobic Democrats.”
That’s sounds moralistically naive.
You know what. You’re right. Vote red. Pick a Republican. That will teach the Democrats to notice trans people. Or don’t vote, that will surely help.
At the risk of sounding extremely dismissive, because it is, the world is literally on fire and you might not get to win your issue of choice in the next 5 or even 10 elections. Of course every person regardless of majority of minority status deserves to have their basic rights met and to be treated with a modicum of decency and acceptance. Of course. When it comes to elections though, R will come together for any one of no abortion, more guns, less taxes, go church!
The far left doesn’t win in the US, and won’t win, because, son of a bitch, there is not enough fundamental support for Mediterranean furry vegans with one eye who use glow in the dark blowy wheelchairs. And wouldnt you know it, all 900 trans people on Lemmy and their vegan allies cannot storm the palace by themselves no matter how hard you rage post.
Yes it sucks. Conservatives are a bloc. The left is not, and each of the 347 extreme minorities can’t play nice together unless their issue is at the forefront which makes a fundamentally impossible purity test for every candidate. Fuck people who are transphobic and good on people who are good allies, but there just isn’t a competitive counter block because the left isn’t full of group-thinking neanderthals.
I understand that you are mad, but you can’t win shit with 10 people. So do you want the lesser evil or would you rather deal with the obviously worse door number two?
Your last paragraph is functionally right. You can make your own choice and it sucks no matter what you do. Nobody is winning here. That’s how it is. Fuck.
The right is full of brainwashable morons and the left is all full of vibrant and unique non-teaming, purity testing assholes with stupid long Linux socks.
I love pancakes
Oh so you hate waffles?
I understand that you are mad, but you can’t win shit with 10 people. So do you want the lesser evil or would you rather deal with the obviously worse door number two?
If our numbers are small enough for our issues to not matter, then stop vote-scolding us for how we chose to vote. With one breath you say our numbers are too small to make our issues a purity test for the party. With the next you say it’s our duty to support the party.
Liberals tell minorities our issues are too minor to worry about and then blame us when we take them at their word and say, “well, I guess you don’t need our votes anyway.”
You don’t speak for trans people. You speak for you (and for republicans it sure seems like). Stay in your lane. I’m also trans and everyone, including trans people, that don’t work to keep republicans out of power next month are not allies and may as well be MAGA. Right now you’re putting yourself on that list.
I speak for most of the trans people and allies I know in real life. The general consensus is that it’s perfectly fine to not vote for transphobic democrats. The point is not to vote against Democrats in general, but just the tiny minority that reject trans rights. Nuance matters, which the troll is this comment thread can’t seem to understand.
If that’s what you wanna tell yourself but the truth is a protest vote is a vote for the winner.
“You have to vote for the Nazi collaborators, otherwise the Nazis will win!”
So much for nuance mattering huh? That didn’t take much poking either. Nice to see your true colors shining through woody.
The vote-scolding is almost never towards trans people, it’s towards people who say the dems aren’t doing enough and don’t vote, and let literal fascism win instead. The message is towards the people who aren’t viscerally affected who still didn’t vote or voted 3rd party, and their vote DID matter in this super close election to prevent literal fascism.
I’m not talking about you at all when it comes to voting. I have said vote how you want. You need my vote and that’s the whole point of this post isnt it? Let’s all hold Dems accountable? By all means let’s do hold Dems to account, but I intend to see it happen at every primary all the way down the ballot, grass roots style not by spitting on the least worst option. Hell, you can run yourself!
But when push comes to shove, I know hundreds of people who get fucked by the country headed right and I know 4 trans people who get hurt either way and it sucks. Considering that picture, vote for fucking Yoda who gives a shit? The fate of the world is not hinging on the angry trans vote, but it might hinge on people who would like to buy 10 years to install some candidates that don’t suck.
I’m in for “whatever is the best possible thing we can get right now”, but if you threaten to take your ball and go home where your dad beats you, then ok, cool power move.
You are an awful person and I hope you experience half of the pain we do, you bootlicking piece of human trash.
There is a trans genocide happening in the US, telling us to suck it up while we die, while we are killed is so fucking awful.
It’s really amazing how you expect absolutely nothing from the democratic party, how you paint basic support for the rights of trans people as “far left” and how you then expect us to still support you.
There is a trans genocide happening in the US, telling us to suck it up while we die, while we are killed is so fucking awful.
Clearly we should let the republicans take power, that will definitely help out the trans people suffering, right? Because that’s your only other outcome. But if you’re cool with that, by all means, send that message straight into your own foot.
You are an awful person and I hope you experience half of the pain we do, you bootlicking piece of human trash.
Says the person implicitly pushing for an outcome that by definition makes the problem worse.
I fear for my trans partners and friends because of short-sighted people like you who are so focused on the cut the Democrats give you that you’re willing to sever an artery to show them how much you hate them.
I wish the best for you, even while you advocate for more pain for yourself and those like you.
You don’t have to support anybody. Do what you want.
Trump and the right are burning everything down right here, right now, not just you. Im not picking them or not voting to teach dems a lesson. Let’s be really clear: I hate what is happening to trans people, and people of color, and gay people, and Muslims, and Jews who are not aligned with the state of Israel. Not a single one of those hills is one I would die on if it meant more trump.
So call me what you want, sir/madam/xer, but weighing any group against wholesale collapse, I’m choosing the lesser evil. I will campaign and vote in the primaries to go as far left as we can get, but I’m not forsaking the only non far right party for any single group that is smaller than literally everyone. The math doesn’t make any sense.
sir/madam/xer
and that fucking “stupid socks” comment clearly show you have no fucking idea whats going on and there is no reason for me to engage with you.
They could put us in camps and you’d be like “welp, at least the inflation is under control! Thank you DNC!”
Good. Don’t. You can’t seem to do it maturely anyway.
Actually, the only way to engage maturely is when you disregard several genocides to epically own drumpf.
So, what’s your plan then?
Moderatecide
How much of Gaza, pray tell, did the people heroically save by not voting for a genocidal Democrat in 2024?
If someone is going to poke you in the eye, your best bet is obviously to let them break your fingers too.
Definitely stay home and put your balls/nipples in a mousetrap in november, that will save everyone.
Nah. I choose collapse. We can all go to Hell together if you’re willing to throw us under the bus.
As a trans person from Europe that has to deal with the consequences of you electing the orange turd
Go fuck yourself. Other people don’t deserve to suffer for your stupidity.
Your option kills all the trans people. Congratulations.
You’re the one telling people to vote for Nazi collaborators.
And you’re telling people how to get the nazis elected.
There is no difference between a Nazi and a Nazi collaborator.
Throw trans people under the bus (reality: support trans people but not enough) or literal fascism are your 2 choices. Since option #1 is never acceptable ever we will just go with fascism forever always as they do state-sponsored anti trans propaganda I suppose. Enjoy being sent to camps under fascism and not receiving gender affirming care instead of not being able to play in sports for the same gender. Both sides ig. Most mainstream democrats have stated explicit support for trans people, it’s just not enough apparently.
Nah, throwing you under the bus would be voting republican.
But you do you. Surely you care about the suffering of others, hopefully that care is about reducing it, but I doubt it.
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