I replied to someone saying that the USSR defeated the Nazis saying that it was a group effort. Got into an argument and called a Nazi repeatedly because “I was mad that the USSR defeated the Nazis and hated them for it” which is ridiculous. This isn’t the first time that’s happened on Lemmy. What’s up with that?
That might be true if China wasn’t completely railroaded by Japan.
same argument as for the USSR; i don’t see how them fighting against a war of extermination makes them killing more japanese than the US less significant.
But they killed significantly less Japanese than the US did.
i feel like you misread my statement. i meant same argument as to why the USSR taking enormous casualties doesn’t diminish their war effort.
I’ll admit I don’t know as much about the Chinese war effort, but it shouldn’t be controversial to criticize the Soviet strategy when it was literally “throw as many bodies at the problem as possible”, which it factually was. It also ignores the fact that they were allied with Germany until Germany double-crossed them and had Germany not double-crossed them there’s a good chance they would have remained on that side. This is after the Nazis purged the Socialists and Communists in Germany after using them to win control in the first place. So forgive me for not sucking Stalin’s dick and taking pity on the USSR for catching fleas from the dogs they went to bed with.
This is not an anti-communism or anti-socialism rant. This is an anti-short sighted opportunist rant.
The USSR played a major role in the war once they joined the allies and I’m grateful for it, but ignoring everything before the German invasion of the USSR is silly and you know it.
The way the Nazis treated Soviet POWs and civilians was abhorrent, but to act like the USSR didn’t commit their share of war crimes is just as silly whether you think you can justify it or not. Not to mention how things turned out post-war for many Soviet satellites and Warsaw-Pact countries.
Doubt it all you want, it’s true.
literally every major western power had a similar treaty with germany too, singling out the molotov-ribbentrop pact while ignoring western appeasement is selective historical memory. ‘human waves’ line is a trope from cold war propaganda, dehumanizing soviet soldiers and minimizing the victory. they won on their own merits under catastrophic conditions and were a more capable fighting force than the allies by the end.
that’s why your protestation rings a bit hollow.
But it’s only cool when the Soviets did, right? Btw, the US never did.
Who’s ignoring appeasement? Neville Chamberlain and Vichy France are not remembered fondly by anyone, for example.
The dehumanizing of Soviet soldiers was done by the USSR government by treating them as expendable.
🙄 I have no doubt that the average Soviet soldier was a good fighter, it was their overlords that sucked and couldn’t run a war without sacrificing millions.
Only to deranged tankies who think that because the USSR was communist it could do no wrong.