I replied to someone saying that the USSR defeated the Nazis saying that it was a group effort. Got into an argument and called a Nazi repeatedly because “I was mad that the USSR defeated the Nazis and hated them for it” which is ridiculous. This isn’t the first time that’s happened on Lemmy. What’s up with that?
i feel like you misread my statement. i meant same argument as to why the USSR taking enormous casualties doesn’t diminish their war effort.
I’ll admit I don’t know as much about the Chinese war effort, but it shouldn’t be controversial to criticize the Soviet strategy when it was literally “throw as many bodies at the problem as possible”, which it factually was. It also ignores the fact that they were allied with Germany until Germany double-crossed them and had Germany not double-crossed them there’s a good chance they would have remained on that side. This is after the Nazis purged the Socialists and Communists in Germany after using them to win control in the first place. So forgive me for not sucking Stalin’s dick and taking pity on the USSR for catching fleas from the dogs they went to bed with.
This is not an anti-communism or anti-socialism rant. This is an anti-short sighted opportunist rant.
The USSR played a major role in the war once they joined the allies and I’m grateful for it, but ignoring everything before the German invasion of the USSR is silly and you know it.
The way the Nazis treated Soviet POWs and civilians was abhorrent, but to act like the USSR didn’t commit their share of war crimes is just as silly whether you think you can justify it or not. Not to mention how things turned out post-war for many Soviet satellites and Warsaw-Pact countries.
Doubt it all you want, it’s true.
literally every major western power had a similar treaty with germany too, singling out the molotov-ribbentrop pact while ignoring western appeasement is selective historical memory. ‘human waves’ line is a trope from cold war propaganda, dehumanizing soviet soldiers and minimizing the victory. they won on their own merits under catastrophic conditions and were a more capable fighting force than the allies by the end.
that’s why your protestation rings a bit hollow.
But it’s only cool when the Soviets did, right? Btw, the US never did.
Who’s ignoring appeasement? Neville Chamberlain and Vichy France are not remembered fondly by anyone, for example.
The dehumanizing of Soviet soldiers was done by the USSR government by treating them as expendable.
🙄 I have no doubt that the average Soviet soldier was a good fighter, it was their overlords that sucked and couldn’t run a war without sacrificing millions.
Only to deranged tankies who think that because the USSR was communist it could do no wrong.
your point about the US is actually wrong, the US had significant commercial and diplomatic engagement with nazi germany all through the 1930s; many US companies had business relationships which were not stopped by the state department at any point. Many US industrialists were aligned with Nazi germany and had considerable sway over government, to the point of planning coup when they felt they weren’t getting their way.
US strategic bombing deliberately avoided hitting ford and GM owned plants in germany.
standard oil continued business relationships with IG farben through neutral countries until 1943
chase bank maintained accounts for nazi germany
i’m an anarchist; believe it or not i have plenty of complaints about the USSR. those are beside the point right now though.
US companies ≠ USA
Also, the companies that initially supported Germany did so mostly in private and cut ties when war was declared and their factories were seized by the Nazis.
That’s an urban legend with minimal Truth behind it. While the GM plant was completely leveled, the Ford plant only received structural damage, though it’s supporting infrastructure was destroyed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rüsselsheim_massacre#%3A~%3Atext%3DOn_the_night_of_August_25%2C_the%2Cput_out_the_fires_in_their_homes.%3Fwprov=sfla1
Conveniently beside the point.
i don’t see it that way, if the US state department is turning a blind eye to these things i hold them responsible.
of the 350,000 trucks used by nazi germany for logistics 1/3 of them were made by ford, ford-werke was not seized in any meaningful sense, it continued operating as a war production facility under a german management board while ford motor company retained majority ownership throughout the war.
the nazis appointed some german managers and ford lost day-to-day control, but ownership was never transferred, they maintained 56.575% of ford-werke. the claims they made were as the claimant owner, not a dispossessed party seeking return of stolen property.
re: the GM plant, not contesting it got bombed, though it was wild that they got the US government to pay them for destroying their factory making shit for the nazis.
the ford plant was mainly the one i was thinking of for getting little/no bombing, as detailed here, the damaged was mostly from artillery due to it ending up on the front lines, the bombing only hit labor camps and proving grounds
from my perspective you’ve been engaging in holocaust denial and repeating nazi propaganda by insisting on dehumanizing people of the USSR with all the human wave tropes.
if you weren’t doing that i’d have more to say to you.
Just always willing to defend the USSR’s war crimes and never accept Stalin made a mistake.
stalin made a lot of fuckin mistakes and a lot of fucked up shit was done by the USSR. i still have an issue with american chauvinists doing actual holocaust denial about the extent of the extermination campaign against them.