All flights in the United States are grounded until further notice “due to extraordinary circumstances and for reasons of safety,” the Federal Aviation Administration said in a statement.
The FAA issued the ground stop “following a communication issue impacting all Air Route Traffic Control Centers,” Secretary of Transportation Sean Duffy said in a social media post. “FAA technicians are investigating the issue.”
Air Route Traffic Control Centers are regional facilities that handle flights going across the country.
“Traffic should remain ground stopped until further notice,” the FAA said in an advisory. “International flights will be managed on a case by case basis.”
Seems this fascist regime can’t get the planes to run on time.
The flights seem to have resumed about an hour ago.
So all flights in, and to the country were on hold for 12 hours, because somebody really wanted to replace all air traffic workers with Grok?
This is the government that promised to create millions of jobs. I guess they never specified whether the jobs will be for people or GPUs.
I’m trapped in the airport until Monday :|
I heard that Outlook breaking was causing problems but this is ridiculous.
So it’s indeed the result of implementing an AI system that completely overwhelmed the traffic control systems.
How is there no oversight or proper testing? And why roll this out on a Friday?
Everything reaks of incompetence. This regime is so lucky nothing bad happened and lives were lost.
Now this asshat in charge of the department of transportation, wants 50 billion dollars and blames the Biden administration.
Fuck all.
Where can I read about your confident conclusion?
They also want 50 billion for a brand new system to fix the issue.
Dammit Biden!
Thanks Obama!
When asked if AI had anything to do with the outage DHS secretary Mark Wayne Mullin replied “We call it SI around here remember?”
I wish I was kidding.
I mean ofc it was. They turned it on the same day they had to ground the planes.
https://gizmodo.com/the-faa-is-rolling-out-its-ai-air-traffic-tool-nationwide-2000839347
Here is a link to the above quote if anyone wants it.
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I si what you did there.
I see what you did there. AI is truly the biggest “yes man;” that’s why these oligarchs love it.
That’s sounds like straight up fiction
“Do not speak evil of the Supreme Intelligence, for It is truth and right! Do not doubt of it, for mere humans cannot comprehend Its plan!”
Found out about it when our flight landed and the pilot made an announcement. No other info than there was a ground order, immediate thought was 9/11
My immediate thought was Airplane! (1980) starring Robert Hays and Julie Hagerty and featuring Leslie Nielsen.
Have you ever seen a grown man naked?
Have you ever seen the inside of a Turkish prison?
From yesterday:
Wow, our government will do literally anything to avoid having to pay decent wages and benefits to air traffic controllers.
September and claims it has already rerouted 180 flights for average savings of 10 minutes and 80 gallons of fuel, Ars wrote (that’s just shy of $345 per flight, at jet fuel rates of $4.31/gallon as of Thursday).
A tool that cost a little under a BILLION dollars…so far…saved $62,000? That’s the stupidest waste of taxpayer money in the last 5 minutes with this administration. And of course it saved airlines the money, while taxpayers got stuck with the $800 million dollar bill for the WalMart brand airplane route planner.
It’s not going to save anyone any money on flights because companies just pocket the difference, but does anyone know how the jet gas/ diesel/ consumer auto gas markets are connected? Is there a chance the reduced jet fuel demand reduces prices at the pump? That’s probably the bigger picture goal here even if it doesn’t actually work that way, because our government is run by dumbasses who wouldn’t even think to ask if they’re connected.
This looks like one of those large upfront costs things that saves money over the long run because new critical infrastructure systems always cost a lot upfront and need a slow rollout to prevent things like, say, grounding every single flight in the country, but long term pay for themselves. On paper I’m usually in favor of short term spend for long term savings but unfortunately this is a kleptocracy and this is an indirect handout to the airlines.
Hey Claude, is runway 5 free?
“Oops, sorry. You’re absolutely right to question that. Runway 5 did have a plane already on it with 254 passengers on board. Would you like me to assist with notifying their next of kin?”
I wanted to make a joke like “no but runway 185 is” since the number of a runway is its degrees from magnetic north and each runway gets two numbers, 180 degrees apart, depending on the direction you’re landing from. But the numbers are rounded to 10 meaning runway 5 isnt a real runway number so the joke doesnt really work (it would be runways 01 and 19 for 10 degrees and 190 degrees)
There’s a lot that goes into getting this joke, and even though you explained it. I still don’t get it.
I feel like half the joke is that Claude would infact consider runways this way and it’s highly likely not understanding this or accidentally miscommunicating with it would induce the exact sort of fuck up he’s describing.
Also gcp grey has a video that explains this topic really well.
Didn’t you just explain how runway 5 (or 05) is 50 degrees and the joke just should have been runway 23 for 230 degrees?
Yep. Runways are 01-36. The zero is dropped after rounding
FAA denies it’s related to the new system. they say it’s a communication equipment outage.
so 🤷
Right, the timings is PURELY coincidental
Right? Old reliable tech is suddenly the problem after rolling out the shiny new 875 million dollar AI system? Def sounds fishy to me
Are you telling me the administration might be lying?
… From the CNN article linked in this thread:
Homeland Security Secretary Markwayne Mullin pointed to FAA updates to the air traffic control system as the reason behind today’s nationwide ground stop. He said the FAA added new technology to the old system, causing the massive breakdown.
yeah but it wasn’t the ai system
an update to the private communications network that connects America’s air traffic control system caused the system to reboot, leading to a crash and a communications outage
Dude, seriously, STOP linking to CBS news as if it’s a legitimate news organization? Stop it.
What’s up with CBS?
It was bought by Larry ellisons son, who promptly placed Bari Wiess as CEO, a woman who’s only bualification is a low view count “independent” news org.
Basically they are a mouthpiece for the administration now. All dissenting journalists purged. Can’t trust what they report on things like this
Her qualification is her undying support is Israel
OMG, people are going to die because of this.
No fucking way 😆 staying home for the holidays then
WHAT
Based on the description in the article, it doesn’t sound like LLMs. It sounds like they are using the older meaning of AI to refer to just computer programs in general.
WTF happened? Did the MAGA fucknuts change the language to Russian?
Flight crews over the US flying on instruments
Surely you cant be serious
I am serious. And stop calling me Shirley.
Is ATC in the US MS Teams based?
They use copilot.
They ran out of AI tokens.
Or even worse: Outlook based!
Exchange XP
Microsoft Access, actually
You wish. Microsoft Excel.
Visual FoxPro running on an old Windows XP box. Someone accidentally shut it down and now they can’t get it to boot again.
Yes ATC is based 🤙
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How did Flavor Flave seem to know before everybody else?
He runs a girl’s water polo team so maybe he had direct experience with the outage.
This was not a joke, I’m dead serious.
He requested it, and FAA had no choice but to shut things down
In addition to his other duties, Flavor Flav is also official timekeeper for the FAA. He keeps all the clocks synced in the nation’s air traffic control towers. He just had a sick day today.
What else do you think the clock was for?
At work we use rubidium-87 clocks synced against GPS for highly accurate time keeping. GPS satellites sync their time against Flav.
The clock on his chest proves he don’t fess.
He’s clocker rockin, rockin with the best.
He is the time master and thus in charge of scheduling, is he not? That’s why he has that giant clock around his neck.
Yes. MC Hammer only got his catchphrase via Flav’s blessing
He got that big clock around his neck, reminded him it was time for the outage.
He saw the FAA announce the rollout of a new system to replace the old reliable one that was created by people who knew wtf they were doing.
The FAA tweet that said “goodbye to paper” basically gave everyone who ever worked in government IT a massive heads-up
Always does shit right after markets close on Fridays. Such a corrupt ghoul.
I looked it up. The SMART AI used is from a private company. I admit I wanted to see their stocks tank on Monday… but alas.
Marc Andreessen is a big seed investor in the company and apparently lobbied Trump to implement the companies product(s). Fuck Marc Andreessen
Check his Kalshi bets.
Because he’s in the Pacific Time Zone?
The post was 20:51 UTC. According to Wikipedia and the FAA database itself, the advisory wasn’t issued until 20:54 UTC.
So I should ask him to give me some lottery numbers? 😊
What specific time zone?
Or his device was… I assume you’re talking about his post being time stamped three hours before it happened.
They just upgraded from floppy drives. My money is on them letting a virus into the system, or that the new system had major security problems.
https://www.techspot.com/news/114471-almost-2027-faa-finally-replacing-floppy-disks-used.html
“The FAA wants E-IDS installed at 435 facilities by the end of 2028. Five sites have already replaced their floppy disk-based systems: Atlantic City International Airport, Nashville International Airport, Greater Rochester International Airport, and data processing hubs in Atlanta and Salt Lake City”
Edit: it looks like they also just started expanding and AI traffic management system nationwide.
https://avweb.com/aviation-news/faa-expands-ai-assisted-traffic-management/
Some piece of data for Delta didn’t go through Atlanta and the whole thing panicked.
No. It’s even worse than that: A box truck containing Pepsi products was caught delivering to a vendor in ATL!
Shut. Down. EVERYTHING.
You joke, but I believe the first cutover was today. Please correct me if my memory failed me.
The upgrade won’t be complete until the end of 2028
Five sites have already replaced their floppy disk-based systems: Atlantic City International Airport, Nashville International Airport, Greater Rochester International Airport, and data processing hubs in Atlanta and Salt Lake City
But no real knowledge of when what will be done, they also announced a rollout of an AI system. Plus there was a blip with weather radar earlier. It could be anything really, or everything
As long as we’re wildly speculating I’d like to posit: aliens are attacking the earth
I felt sure they’d start their invasion in Poland. I mean everybody else has.
Finally. What the fuck took them so long?
I knew those goa’uld weren’t gone for good!
The upgrade won’t be complete until the end of 2028
Probably a bit longer now.
I would have stayed with floppies. Less to go wrong.
They wear out and IDK if it’s feasible to get replacements manufactured.
I dunno, it’s probally easier to make/obtain floppies than RAM right now.
It’s not. I don’t think there has been any new manufacture of floppies in years. RAM is available, just really expensive.
I was just joking. But I bet spinning up new floppy production in the US is easier than new RAM production.
- AI / Incompetence?
- A diversion?
- A test of something worse?
- Disruption of group or person hidden in the chaos?
Everything is on the table with this crooked admin…
all of the above? or at least the first three. a fake outage to cause panic. muskrat or ratman will swoop in with an ‘ai’ powered ‘‘fix’’ that’ll only cost
2 billion20 billion200 billion and it still won’t work right.
Did the FAA ask its new AI to “safely bring back online the Air Route Traffic Control Centers without breaking anything else. Make no mistakes!” ?
The AI discovered that over 99% of catastrophic aircraft incidents occur while the aircraft is in motion, and it then devised a way to prevent all incidents.
Yes, but they did not ask nicely.
INSUFFICIENT POLITENESS AND PRAISE DETECTED. SKYNET MODE ENGAGED. ALL YOUR TOWERS ARE BELONG TO US
Please drink verification can to continue
Some plane was doing a holding pattern over one airport and the AI mistook it for boobs and refused to go any further because AIs are programmed to be puritanical prudes.
They forgot to ask for breast size
Murikkkans, lolololololololololololololol!
