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On X, political commentator Ed Krassenstein, a frequent Trump critic, commented on the change of opinion about polling numbers among the former president’s supporters.

“MAGA is breaking down. They are back to calling the polls fake just because they don’t reflect what they want them to say,” Krassenstein wrote. “It’s funny how they touted the polls when Trump was up.”

    • Ech@lemm.eeEnglish
      792·
      3 months ago

      Has been for 4 years now. It’s so frustrating to watch play out in front of our eyes.

      • John Richard@lemmy.world
        206·
        3 months ago

        When he picked JD Vance he thought for sure he was going to win and almost certainly would have.

        • 242@lemmy.cafeEnglish
          27·
          3 months ago

          Nah, I hate this narrative. I’m sure he thought he would win, but I think it would have been pretty close with Biden ultimately prevailing. We’ll never know now. But saying Trump was a lock is ridiculous.

          • 4am@lemm.ee
            211·
            3 months ago

            Not after that debate where Biden looked like shit. You gotta remember how fucking little normies pay attention to politics. That debate was probably the first time most of them had seen Joe Biden in a long ass time, and he looked bad.

            It would be as simple as “I’d better vote for the one who’s not gonna die in office”; which is honestly the stupidest take imaginable, but they have been defunding our schools for 60 years so what did you expect?

            • eldavi@lemmy.ml
              11·
              3 months ago

              You gotta remember how fucking little normies pay attention to politics.

              i’m learning from my interactions from lemmy.world that this statement defines so much of what’s wrong.

              … they have been defunding our schools for 60 years so what did you expect?

              i think this is one the reasons why and i also think that there are other just/almost-as-big reasons as evidenced by roughly 1/4 of my 1st-generation-american college-educated extended-family members loving trump; and somehow it’s mostly the boomer & gen-x aged ones while the millenials and gen-z vote the other way.

          • BassTurd@lemmy.world
            10·
            3 months ago

            I had and still do have a gut feeling it won’t be close and Trump gets shit stomped. Probably just high on hopium, but while the media had been talking about his leads, I just got more vibes that he didn’t have the same support and his voter base has been shrinking. Biden wasn’t inspiring, but I don’t think trump gained more supporters over the past 4 years, and I don’t think Biden had lost many. If people show up and vote, Trump will lose. With the new spark in the Dem candidacy, I expect an ass kicking barring something happening over the next few months.

            • Myxomatosis@lemmy.world
              8·
              3 months ago

              It’s still early to be optimistic but I agree with you. The whole country has seen and knows what Trump is, he is no longer an unknown quantity. He’s not an outsider fighting the system and a competent businessman like people thought he would be in 2016. The Clintons and their baggage are also out of the picture and dems are rallying behind the energy that Kamala has brought. There’s a reason why Trump and his camp are panicking.

              • DokPsy@infosec.pub
                2·
                3 months ago

                Anyone who thought Trump was a competent businessman had not been actually paying attention.

            • DokPsy@infosec.pub
              4·
              3 months ago

              Honestly, the numbers through the years have shown that when people show up to vote, the Dems win. That’s literally all it takes. Everyone going to vote.

            • revelrous@sopuli.xyz
              31·
              3 months ago

              I do think his base has grown with previously non-voting incel types. I have some young male relatives who paid no attention in 16 or 20 who are all in on maga now. The grievance shtick seems to really speak to them.

              • Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                6·
                3 months ago

                It’s the same token on the other side though. Plenty of new empathetic left voters too. My youngest brother and all his friends are that way.

              • Simulation6@sopuli.xyz
                31·
                3 months ago

                Dems really need to address what is driving people to the GQP somehow. There has to be something other then just hate motivating these people.

                • revelrous@sopuli.xyz
                  1·
                  3 months ago

                  It feels like they all expected life to neatly fall into place, and when it didn’t they latched on to any narrative that externalized the blame in a way that gave them permission to lash out. Can’t get a girlfriend? Must be the epidemic of miserable crazy cat ladies. Can’t get a promotion? Must be all the DEI policies. The hate i think they use to shore up their fragile self esteem.

        • Ech@lemm.eeEnglish
          11·
          3 months ago

          Even when he wins, he still casts doubt on the system. Just look at his whining about Hillary in 2017.

    • BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world
      26·
      3 months ago

      Yup. For the last few months it’s been nothing but “Biden is old and loves open borders,” but when Kamala starts to pull ahead it’s, “be on the lookout for runaway fraud”.

      • Zaktor@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        1·
        3 months ago

        Yeah, we should have been revving up the fraud engine when Biden was decaying in front of our eyes on national television. Setting it up only after we switch to a young active candidate who gives people hope for a change seems kind of unnecessary.

    • EnderMB@lemmy.world
      9·
      3 months ago

      Honest question, as a non-American.

      Surely any and all secret services will be fully prepared this time, and if some MAGA nutjobs were to try it would result in an absolute massacre, right?

      Would they be dumb enough to try? I know that you’re all armed to the teeth, but the US Army and Secret Service versus a bunch of cousin-fucking redneck bois is likely to end up in the former winning pretty handily.

      • DokPsy@infosec.pub
        12·
        3 months ago

        See, you’d think. But unfortunately, as an old song once put it: some of those who work forces are the same who burn crosses

      • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip
        6·
        3 months ago

        I think you’re right. The last one only kinda almost worked bc bloated mussolini was calling the shots behind deployment of security forces like the national guard. Next time meal team 6 won’t just be waltzing past an overwhelmed few capitol police.

      • frezik@midwest.social
        3·
        3 months ago

        Remember that fascists think of their enemy as being both weak and strong at the same time. This gives them a blind spot where they’re incapable of weighing their enemy’s true strength.

        They’ll try, but they’re not as strong as they think they are. The number of Trump voters actually willing to get violent isn’t very big. Could get very bloody in a short period of time, but they’ll ultimately lose.

      • Railing5132@lemmy.world
        3·
        3 months ago

        I think the bigger issue this time is the potential for distributing the violence to smaller markets, so to speak - polling places, county clerk’s offices, secretaries of state, even state houses when they vote to certify their state results.

    • BarqsHasBite@lemmy.world
      2·
      3 months ago

      That’s too sloppy. They’re gonna go for thing where it goes to, I forget if it was a house of reps vote or where each state gets a singular vote.

        • BarqsHasBite@lemmy.world
          4·
          3 months ago

          If the election is contested, then there are “backup” protocols that are different than than the normal electoral college. I don’t recall if the “backup” protocol was a simple vote in the House of Representatives, or that each state gets a single vote. Trump kinda tried last time but didn’t have the support.

          • DokPsy@infosec.pub
            1·
            3 months ago

            If a states count is contested, it’s voted on by the house on if the count goes back to the state and redone. If the numbers aren’t ratified by the deadline, the backup is the chain of succession until it is ratified. This means that the house speaker is acting president until they finalize the winner.

  • snooggums@midwest.socialEnglish
    52·
    3 months ago

    Weren’t they “fake” in 2016 and 2020 too? The man has such a limited vocabulary, no wonder he appeals to morons.

      • Vanon@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        3 months ago

        That’s a surprisingly in-depth analysis, appreciated. Donnie’s brain has been rotting for almost seven additional years now, and the loud noises coming out of his face hole have only become less impressive. It’s safe to say he never made it out of middle school.

      • snooggums@midwest.socialEnglish
        22·
        3 months ago

        The polls were correct in that Clinton won the popular vote. They were wrong on the electoral college outcome, but that came down to several states with razor thin margins being decided well under any margin of error for polls.

      • Jesus@lemmy.world
        8·
        3 months ago

        A lot of people believed they were wrong. They were pretty damn right, but humans suck at statistics. Hence the reason Vegas exists as a tourist destination.

  • GiddyGap@lemm.ee
    261·
    3 months ago

    Funny how the polls were “hugely precise” when they favored him.

    • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip
      17·
      3 months ago

      The melting mango is losing his shit. I don’t think his ticker can take the stress, especially considering it’s fueled mostly with hamberders. I’m calling it now-- if he loses the Nov election he’ll have a heart attack within 6 months.

  • GreenBottles@lemmy.world
    8·
    3 months ago

    Trumps brain at any given moment: If it is critical of me it must be ____________ 1. Fake 2. A hoax 3. A lie 4. Socialist 5. Communist 6. Horrible. 7. Random noises 8. China 9. Change the topic

  • randon31415@lemmy.world
    71·
    3 months ago

    Trump: Looks at Venezuela. “Wait! If I get my cronies in charge of counting the vote and they declare me winner even if it doesn’t match the polls, people aren’t going to believe it? Well, I better start denigrate the polls!”

  • Sam_Bass@lemmy.world
    41·
    3 months ago

    Ol wrinkled pussy cant be a self responsible adult enough to just roll with the punches

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
    646·
    3 months ago

    They are back to calling the polls fake just because they don’t reflect what they want them to say,” Krassenstein wrote. “It’s funny how they touted the polls when Trump was up.”

    To be fair, before Biden stepped down all the neoliberals called polls fake. And as soon as they started showing Kamala in the lead they act like they’ve always trusted polls.

    The far right of both parties are remarkably similar, and shouldn’t be running either party.

    • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
      381·
      3 months ago

      all the neoliberals called polls fake.

      No they didn’t. I’ve literally never once experienced that except from a conservative who is losing.

      “Fuck polls” is not the same as “polls are fake”. In one, it’s being suggested they’re not always a great data source so vote regardless. In the other, it’s suggested “they are made up to manipulate the public because everyone persecutes us.”

    • pikmeir@lemmy.world
      272·
      3 months ago

      Nobody on the left was saying the polls were fake because they skewed left. They were saying the polls were unreliable because they skew right toward older voters who answer phone calls and polling questions. But also regardless polls aren’t votes and a lot of people sleep on politics until immediately before voting.

    • Pennomi@lemmy.worldEnglish
      181·
      3 months ago

      Polls generally are skewed towards older conservatives - millennials and younger would rather stab out their own eyes than answer a pollster.

      • Zaktor@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        1·
        3 months ago

        That’s not how polls work. If they get disproportionately fewer responses from millennials, they weight their responses to account for the actual number of millennials. They don’t just give every responder equal weight and assume there are simply fewer millennials.

        • Pennomi@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          3 months ago

          If done properly, yes. But even then, you can’t account for all the fundamental demographic biases in people who respond vs don’t. As always, the only poll that matters is the election.