To be fair, it’s just because windows is the most used and common desktop operating system and the two OSs are different. People would be confused about windows too if the tables were turned.
I see you’re getting down voted and I feel for you. Linux is a breeze if you know what you’re doing and git if the dev knows what they’re doing. But if you’re not an it wizard or very much an enthusiast, Linux just is more complex.
So this is nothing for you, but more to the gatekeepers downvoting you
I totally feel this. I came first to Ubuntu and people immediately went, why no debian/mint/arch. Now I’m on popos and happy and still some would say you doophus
What’s confusing about wine prefixes apart from the fact that wine itself doesn’t come with a graphical interface to manage them? On a Deck, Steam should handle these for you
Calling them “prefixes” is about the total of the confusion. Call them “instances” or even just “boxes” and it’s suddenly clear what they do.
(The only reason I’m not using “sandbox” is because they don’t really provide sandboxing from a security point of view, only a kind of separate instance with its own configuration but with access to everything via the Z drive)
Once you figure out that using a different “wine prefix” only really means a separate “Windows” with it’s own config and file structure there’s nothing confusing about it.
Same. However some mod programs that rely on Windows prerequisites like C++ and .NET don’t have that (which is where my frustrations were stemming from)
I have so far avoided that specific pit, but that’s because for maybe decades now and still whilst using Windows as my main I’ve avoid proprietary solutions (except for games) and went for Open Source ones instead, which has yielded the benefit that since I moved over to Linux for good a few months ago, I have yet to be faced with needing something I used to use in Windows and not finding a Linux native version.
I’m sure I’ll end up in the same kind of situation you describe.
By the way, have you tried “Bottles”? From what I’ve heard (but did not test myself yet) it might help there and it’s not specifically for games.
That’d be cool if that was true… But I installed nobara on my brand new PC and kingdom come crashed when I fast traveled, Hades 2 ran at like 20 fps, and dragons dogma just wouldn’t launch. I get Linux is cool and all but I don’t have time to troubleshoot every game I install anymore…
Not quite “just works” but I’d be willing to bet that your computer defaulted to the iGPU instead of your dGPU because you didn’t specify as such in your launch options
I am indeed. I’m actually pretty proficient with OSX and Linux…but fuck me…getting games to run is a whole new level of hell. I fucked around with it for a day or two trying to get my gaming laptop to run steam games in Ubuntu…wasn’t worth it.
Huh. I use Arch (obligatory btw) and iirc I just installed steam and it worked. 4th gen i5 with an rx 480 and things like Elite Dangerous run fine, the problem starts with UE5 but that’s a hardware issue.
I like Android. If linux would be like Android, it would take off and be probably a lot more advanced than it is now. It’s currently built as a cell phone OS, because that’s what it is.
But if someone made a desktop android, that worked on raspberry pi, and pc’s, and could be self contained on a usb stick like you can with linux??? THAT distro might be the thing to beat Windows. Especially if it was free and open source.
Right now, on android, you can use terminal. Before I knew what terminal was, I downloaded it on an old rooted phone 10 years ago.
So YOU can do all the terminal stuff you want in this hypothetical desktop Android. But don’t make ME do stuff that I don’t understand.
Right now, standard linux is essentially a keyboard OS. Where the bulk of important functions come from the keyboard. Windows is a mouse OS where the bulk of important functions happen with a mouse.
And of the two styles, I prefer mouse. You prefer keyboard, but linux CAN do both…it just chooses not to.
Give me a distro where they don’t even include terminal. You can download it if you want, but it’s not standard.
So I don’t see why you’re saying Android is some kind of insult. I like Android.
It’s remarkably difficult to really fuck up freebsd. On Linux, getting boots to fail is easy. FreeBSD is quite a bit more robust in that regard, as the base image isn’t updated piecemeal.
Cool, but you’re in a gaming community in a post about the Playstation, so I’m not really sure why you’re talking about operating systems and behaving like this when someone talks about the console the post is about.
I love Linux. I’ve moved both my PC and laptop to Linux this year and gotten rid of Windows completely and I’m loving it. OpenSUSE Tumbleweed doesn’t get enough love.
That being said… Linux is not easy guys. This guy is full of shit. But I would still recommend trying it if you’re an enthusiast with this sort of inclination.
If I had to read documentation first, I wouldn’t be using Linux. We write software so we can automate things, so we should be able to automate away most of the troublesome parts until we’re just left with a useful device that does its job.
Bazzite is the answer you search for. Learn the terminal & eventually get a grasp on why atomic distros are cool and you’ll be okay. I was on windows for years & when I learned the terminal for that it was like I was giving God powers.
The only thing I’m trying to install linux on is my Raspberry Pi. Upon googling Bazzite, it doesn’t seem to support Raspberry Pi.
Also, I’ve been trying to learn terminal off and on for 15ish years, with no luck. I’ve been trying to get the fan to work, unsucsessfully on my raspberry pi, for 4 years now. Apperently I have to compile some code…I don’t know what that means…
Compiling means that you take code then run that code trough a program that checks if the code works like intended. After that it will put out a binary/exe/whatever that you can work with further.
From wiki:
In computing, a compiler is a computer program that translates computer code written in one programming language into another language. The name “compiler” is primarily used for programs that translate source code from a high-level programming language to a low-level programming language to create an executable program. There are many different types of compilers which produce output in different useful forms.
Open terminal > cd (command to change directory) into the directory where the code is that you want to compile > then run the compiler
In rust I would CD into the directory that I have written my code in. Let’s say user/rust/projects/example1 with the command:
cd user/rust/projects/example1
Now every command I type will be executed on that directory. The tool I use is called “cargo” the command to compile is “build”.
So with that information I type:
cargo build
While being in user/rust/projects/example1 and when I did everything right my Programm will compile and the result of that can be found in a folder in that project. Something like:
user/rust/projects/example1/build/prod
Hope that helps to give a overview of how the process is supposed to go when everything works without a problem.
The code is your ingredients, you put the ingredients together, then bake it (compile). When it’s done you have a pie (a program you can execute and run).
Worst case scenario you can take it apart & put it back together to maybe find a defective part. Terminal is tricky because of the language barrier. It’s all just coding with extra steps which isn’t meant to dumb it down.
What the fuck are you on about? I just build a Raspberry Pi based console running RetroPie with a custom cooler, fan, and power button with LED indicator. Check out my recent posts to 3D printing.
I compiled nothing but RetroPie since the Pi 5 isn’t officially supported but it was dirt simple to do. Install Raspbian, clone RetroPie repo, run install script, press enter on the first option, wait a few hours.
Once again, you just suck at computing. Especially if after 15 years you still can’t Bash. In 15 years I built a career as a senior linux engineer.
So you’re stating on this post that you understand coding, and know how to compile. You’re trying to “insult” me by saying I suck at computing.
Except I’m not insulted. You know who else sucks at it? EVERYBODY. It’s like an auto mechanic trying to insult you for knowing how to change a muffler, and how it’s so easy.
I don’t know how to change a muffler. I just want to drive the car. Just like everybody else.
I just want to push a button, have my fan work, and play retro games. I don’t want to have to bash in terminal. I don’t want to compile a program. I just want to play video games.
And you know who else just wants it to work with no programming knowledge needed? EVERYBODY.
THAT is the reason that after 30+ years linux is at an all time high user base with less than 5% of the market, despite Apple being expensive as hell in a tough ecconomy, and Windows being universally agreed on as being dog shit. People STILL don’t want to switch to linjx because NOBODY understands it or wants to deal with it.
They’d rather deal with Windows 11 spying on your screen, or paying an assload for a mac than deal with linux.
I made a fucking console from the ground up. I didn’t do it to be easy – I did it because I could, and now I have something unique that is amazing to use, gorgeous to look at, runs everything up to Dreamcast/Dolphin with ease. And anyone can do it with the STLs I give away.
It even supports bluetooth audio but I will admit getting that to work was the only pain point of the whole build, but mostly because my un-official build didn’t have bluetooth support out of the box for audio so I needed to install the pipewire service and enable audio to the bluetooth device. Still only took a few minutes to work out.
I’d argue the replaceable parts and software are what defines a PC for the vast majority of users. Small subsets of users may chase FPS or the highest quality render. But, the vast majority spend more today to spend less long term and want to be in control of their software and hardware.
i’d differentiate it by the kind of it’s ui. linux will still feel like a desktop operating system, made for mouse and keyboard, whereas the console has a controller friendly interface. probably not much of an issue if you boot into steam directly through.
genuinely curious, is there any linux DE that is optimised for being connected to a tv and controlled by remote/gamepad from the couch?
How’s the dualsense running on Linux? I opted for Xbox elite purely because I thought it’d have better support for the back pads but still not over bluetooth :-(.
I once wrote a quick little scrapper that ran at midnight and would email me the listing. I think I’ll have to re-write it if there’s some sweet deals on hardware. Im still using my 10 year old 4k display i got for stupid cheap.
You’re still beholden to the hardware manufacturers whether you buy a PC or a shitty console but at least with a PC you have choices and you’re spreading your corporate money out to those you feel worth it instead of motherfucking freedom-hating Sony.
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Build a PC
Install Linux
Fuck corporate bullshit.
Build a pc.
Install linux.
Get confused by linux.
What the fuck does linux want from me???
Rip hair out.
Be bald.
People confuse you for skinhead.
Wear wig.
Wig blows off on sunny windy day.
Lose wig.
Be sad.
This is absurd. Where’s the step to grow a beard and become a hobbit?
Step 0
Use rats as wig
“Honey, don’t look”
As a windows main but steam deck user, can confirm Linux being confusing.
Fucking wine prefixes.
To be fair, it’s just because windows is the most used and common desktop operating system and the two OSs are different. People would be confused about windows too if the tables were turned.
Also the Linux community is toxic and overcomplicates things for no reason.
This is true to a large extent. No one goes out of their way to make Linux easy.
Don’t get me started on GitHub.
I see you’re getting down voted and I feel for you. Linux is a breeze if you know what you’re doing and git if the dev knows what they’re doing. But if you’re not an it wizard or very much an enthusiast, Linux just is more complex.
So this is nothing for you, but more to the gatekeepers downvoting you
What really pissed me off when I switched to Linux was I suddenly went from OS wars to sub-OS wars.
What? I’m an idiot for not switching to Linux? Ok, I’ve switched to Linux.
What? I’m an idiot for not using Arch? Motherfucker, all you told me was to switch to Linux and I’m already having trouble figuring it out.
I totally feel this. I came first to Ubuntu and people immediately went, why no debian/mint/arch. Now I’m on popos and happy and still some would say you doophus
What’s confusing about wine prefixes apart from the fact that wine itself doesn’t come with a graphical interface to manage them? On a Deck, Steam should handle these for you
Calling them “prefixes” is about the total of the confusion. Call them “instances” or even just “boxes” and it’s suddenly clear what they do.
(The only reason I’m not using “sandbox” is because they don’t really provide sandboxing from a security point of view, only a kind of separate instance with its own configuration but with access to everything via the Z drive)
Once you figure out that using a different “wine prefix” only really means a separate “Windows” with it’s own config and file structure there’s nothing confusing about it.
Oh I know what prefixes are. Configuring them is the bitch part
I just use Lutris, which generally does most of that work for me.
Same. However some mod programs that rely on Windows prerequisites like C++ and .NET don’t have that (which is where my frustrations were stemming from)
Ah.
I have so far avoided that specific pit, but that’s because for maybe decades now and still whilst using Windows as my main I’ve avoid proprietary solutions (except for games) and went for Open Source ones instead, which has yielded the benefit that since I moved over to Linux for good a few months ago, I have yet to be faced with needing something I used to use in Windows and not finding a Linux native version.
I’m sure I’ll end up in the same kind of situation you describe.
By the way, have you tried “Bottles”? From what I’ve heard (but did not test myself yet) it might help there and it’s not specifically for games.
I was led to believe you could put windows on steamdeck? Am I wrong? I don’t have one.
You definitely can. The UI from Steam OS (Linux based) is much better though.
You could, but you wouldn’t
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No…no it doesn’t. Ask me how I know.
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It doesn’t for everybody. What is so hard to grasp about the fact that your experience isn’t a general truth?
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Then think about it this way:
You install the same os, you don’t get the same experience.
That’s it. Like really simple.
Edit: The underlying hardware has a effect on the behavior of the os. If hardware differs, the experience differs.
If only…
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That’d be cool if that was true… But I installed nobara on my brand new PC and kingdom come crashed when I fast traveled, Hades 2 ran at like 20 fps, and dragons dogma just wouldn’t launch. I get Linux is cool and all but I don’t have time to troubleshoot every game I install anymore…
Not quite “just works” but I’d be willing to bet that your computer defaulted to the iGPU instead of your dGPU because you didn’t specify as such in your launch options
I’d be willing to get those games run fine on a console and in Windows with no extra steps.
So you don’t download your GPU drivers? That’s more steps than adding a launch option
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How do you know? Are you some kind of wizard?
I am indeed. I’m actually pretty proficient with OSX and Linux…but fuck me…getting games to run is a whole new level of hell. I fucked around with it for a day or two trying to get my gaming laptop to run steam games in Ubuntu…wasn’t worth it.
Huh. I use Arch (obligatory btw) and iirc I just installed steam and it worked. 4th gen i5 with an rx 480 and things like Elite Dangerous run fine, the problem starts with UE5 but that’s a hardware issue.
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Linux is easy.
Not compared to using a console.
Consoles are easy, and I love my PS5 for chilling and playing games, and I love my Linux PC for its power and freedom from corporate bullshit.
Wait till you realize PlayStation is just Free BSD. 😏
Streaming with Sunshine 🌞 and Moonlight 🌙 is really spiffy too.
Playing games on my deck in bed with the power of my beefy PC 🧠🤯.
Plugging my Steam Library Micro SD Card from my deck <=> PC is as easy as a using Switch™ carts.
That you don’t have admin access to. Good for not fucking it up, bad for freedom.
I’d easily make the trade of linux standard being impossible to fuck up without rooting it, if it meant it became as easy to run as a commercial OS.
You just described Android.
I like Android. If linux would be like Android, it would take off and be probably a lot more advanced than it is now. It’s currently built as a cell phone OS, because that’s what it is.
But if someone made a desktop android, that worked on raspberry pi, and pc’s, and could be self contained on a usb stick like you can with linux??? THAT distro might be the thing to beat Windows. Especially if it was free and open source.
Right now, on android, you can use terminal. Before I knew what terminal was, I downloaded it on an old rooted phone 10 years ago.
So YOU can do all the terminal stuff you want in this hypothetical desktop Android. But don’t make ME do stuff that I don’t understand.
Right now, standard linux is essentially a keyboard OS. Where the bulk of important functions come from the keyboard. Windows is a mouse OS where the bulk of important functions happen with a mouse.
And of the two styles, I prefer mouse. You prefer keyboard, but linux CAN do both…it just chooses not to.
Give me a distro where they don’t even include terminal. You can download it if you want, but it’s not standard.
So I don’t see why you’re saying Android is some kind of insult. I like Android.
It’s remarkably difficult to really fuck up freebsd. On Linux, getting boots to fail is easy. FreeBSD is quite a bit more robust in that regard, as the base image isn’t updated piecemeal.
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So? Fisher price makes some good toys if you want something easy to play with.
Same to your “Linux is easy” comment then.
I’m talking about an operating system, not a toy. Playstation is a toy, like a tonka truck, or a tricycle. Your rebuttal is bad.
Sometimes people want to play with a toy and not scream at their OS because of… millions of possible reasons.
Cool, but you’re in a gaming community in a post about the Playstation, so I’m not really sure why you’re talking about operating systems and behaving like this when someone talks about the console the post is about.
You are the reason why people think Linux fans are obnoxious twats.
I love Linux. I’ve moved both my PC and laptop to Linux this year and gotten rid of Windows completely and I’m loving it. OpenSUSE Tumbleweed doesn’t get enough love.
That being said… Linux is not easy guys. This guy is full of shit. But I would still recommend trying it if you’re an enthusiast with this sort of inclination.
Like anything, it’s easy once you know how it works. Knowing how Linux works only takes several years.
Show me your hair.
It can be. But people don’t usually read instructions or ReadMEs or Docs first?
I will never understand why not. Did you know:
National average Proficient 34% Basic 65%That is totes a big ooof and explains a lot about many people. @.@
If I had to read documentation first, I wouldn’t be using Linux. We write software so we can automate things, so we should be able to automate away most of the troublesome parts until we’re just left with a useful device that does its job.
It really explains why assembly instructions are mostly useless pictures now.
Well, that also saves money on localization costs, when you’re selling to people across many different languages.
May I introduce you to republicans, and the bible belt?
And Windows is hard
You forgot the part where you get angry, because your hdmi doesnt work with linux
Bazzite is the answer you search for. Learn the terminal & eventually get a grasp on why atomic distros are cool and you’ll be okay. I was on windows for years & when I learned the terminal for that it was like I was giving God powers.
The only thing I’m trying to install linux on is my Raspberry Pi. Upon googling Bazzite, it doesn’t seem to support Raspberry Pi.
Also, I’ve been trying to learn terminal off and on for 15ish years, with no luck. I’ve been trying to get the fan to work, unsucsessfully on my raspberry pi, for 4 years now. Apperently I have to compile some code…I don’t know what that means…
Compiling means that you take code then run that code trough a program that checks if the code works like intended. After that it will put out a binary/exe/whatever that you can work with further.
From wiki:
And I have no idea what that means.
How do you reboot? You click start>power>reboot.
I know what that means.
Ask me to compile a script? Uhhhhh…
Open terminal > cd (command to change directory) into the directory where the code is that you want to compile > then run the compiler
In rust I would CD into the directory that I have written my code in. Let’s say user/rust/projects/example1 with the command:
Now every command I type will be executed on that directory. The tool I use is called “cargo” the command to compile is “build”.
So with that information I type:
While being in user/rust/projects/example1 and when I did everything right my Programm will compile and the result of that can be found in a folder in that project. Something like:
Hope that helps to give a overview of how the process is supposed to go when everything works without a problem.
The code is your ingredients, you put the ingredients together, then bake it (compile). When it’s done you have a pie (a program you can execute and run).
A lot of people would rather just go to a store and buy a pie.
the benefits of Bazzite are centred around it having good performance with nVidia / AMD / Intel GPUs.
RasPi doesnt work with those GPUs, so it makes sense Bazzite wouldn’t support it.
Worst case scenario you can take it apart & put it back together to maybe find a defective part. Terminal is tricky because of the language barrier. It’s all just coding with extra steps which isn’t meant to dumb it down.
Yeah, and I don’t know coding. I need it dumbed down.
to be fair, the Raspberry Pi has never been pitched as an idiot-proof consumer appliance.
it is supposed to be a cheap way for people to get into studying programming /computing / electronics.
Correction…it’s never been pitched that way by the makers of raspberry pi.
I first learned of it on youtube by some guy showing how easy it was to set up, and get your home arcade up and running in 30 minutes.
Yeeeeaaaahhhh…no.
Sorry you’re dumb. All you need for retropie is a RP4 and a SD card. The image burns directly to the SD card, insert, power on, play games.
What the fuck are you on about? I just build a Raspberry Pi based console running RetroPie with a custom cooler, fan, and power button with LED indicator. Check out my recent posts to 3D printing.
I compiled nothing but RetroPie since the Pi 5 isn’t officially supported but it was dirt simple to do. Install Raspbian, clone RetroPie repo, run install script, press enter on the first option, wait a few hours.
Once again, you just suck at computing. Especially if after 15 years you still can’t Bash. In 15 years I built a career as a senior linux engineer.
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I just taught myself parametric CAD including both solid body and surface modeling in 3 months.
So you’re stating on this post that you understand coding, and know how to compile. You’re trying to “insult” me by saying I suck at computing.
Except I’m not insulted. You know who else sucks at it? EVERYBODY. It’s like an auto mechanic trying to insult you for knowing how to change a muffler, and how it’s so easy.
I don’t know how to change a muffler. I just want to drive the car. Just like everybody else.
I just want to push a button, have my fan work, and play retro games. I don’t want to have to bash in terminal. I don’t want to compile a program. I just want to play video games.
And you know who else just wants it to work with no programming knowledge needed? EVERYBODY.
THAT is the reason that after 30+ years linux is at an all time high user base with less than 5% of the market, despite Apple being expensive as hell in a tough ecconomy, and Windows being universally agreed on as being dog shit. People STILL don’t want to switch to linjx because NOBODY understands it or wants to deal with it.
They’d rather deal with Windows 11 spying on your screen, or paying an assload for a mac than deal with linux.
Some of us like linux and want to deal with it…
Boy that’s a lot of work just to play some old crap from more than 30 years ago
I made a fucking console from the ground up. I didn’t do it to be easy – I did it because I could, and now I have something unique that is amazing to use, gorgeous to look at, runs everything up to Dreamcast/Dolphin with ease. And anyone can do it with the STLs I give away.
It even supports bluetooth audio but I will admit getting that to work was the only pain point of the whole build, but mostly because my un-official build didn’t have bluetooth support out of the box for audio so I needed to install the pipewire service and enable audio to the bluetooth device. Still only took a few minutes to work out.
PS5 pro is a waste of money, but also lots of people don’t want a PC to play games. Two things can be true at the same time!
Yep.
I’m a die hard Linux nerd, but I would still Rather have a console.
But what I really want is a console that just runs Linux so I can keep it updated and fix minor issues without all the bullshit.
i’d argue that a console running linux would be a PC, even if it’s plugged into your living room tv
I’d argue the replaceable parts and software are what defines a PC for the vast majority of users. Small subsets of users may chase FPS or the highest quality render. But, the vast majority spend more today to spend less long term and want to be in control of their software and hardware.
I would argue that a PC without a keyboard, dedicated to gaming is a console.
Was the PS3 fat a PC? It ran Linux.
i’d differentiate it by the kind of it’s ui. linux will still feel like a desktop operating system, made for mouse and keyboard, whereas the console has a controller friendly interface. probably not much of an issue if you boot into steam directly through.
genuinely curious, is there any linux DE that is optimised for being connected to a tv and controlled by remote/gamepad from the couch?
There’s a few retro distros but I’m no expert.
Steam Deck
Or if you want something more turnkey, a Steam Deck. Want more flexibility? Put Bazzite on it.
Been building since 2003.
On Linux since 2018. Currently on Bazzite.
On meh 7950x X Sapphire Nitro+ 7900XTX and NVME 4.0 drive. 240hz 4k on Display Port.
Who would wanna play on cruddy console hardware lol. Based. Ironically I use a DualSense Edge.
Also have an OG and OLED Steam Deck.
I am spoiled by living near a Micro Center.
Tho the 9800X3D may launch as soon as next month for people wanting to wait.
How’s the dualsense running on Linux? I opted for Xbox elite purely because I thought it’d have better support for the back pads but still not over bluetooth :-(.
Dualsense and DS4 have official drivers from Sony
I’m aware but last I checked the adaptive triggers and some haptic were unsupported. Was asking if that’s supported now or not.
S.N. not sure why you’re being downvoted.
Does Meh have good deals again? I used to check that daily but the last few years it seems like its been nothing but cheap chinese garbage.
I only go when fire sales are on.
I got my combo deal 7950x for cheap cheap when the 7800X3Ds launched. They were giving away free Ram with purchase at the time with them as well.
I once wrote a quick little scrapper that ran at midnight and would email me the listing. I think I’ll have to re-write it if there’s some sweet deals on hardware. Im still using my 10 year old 4k display i got for stupid cheap.
Who is making all those pc parts? It wouldn’t be corporations would it.
You’re still beholden to the hardware manufacturers whether you buy a PC or a shitty console but at least with a PC you have choices and you’re spreading your corporate money out to those you feel worth it instead of motherfucking freedom-hating Sony.
Fair point.
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