• deegeese@sopuli.xyz
      773·
      10 months ago

      In the same way they believe the civil war was about states’ rights.

      They’re lying to make their position seem less outrageous.

      • Sterile_Technique@lemmy.worldEnglish
        311·
        9 months ago

        Some of them, yeah. A lot of them are just dumb as rocks, and have been duped into thinking that what they’re doing is moral.

        • Weslee@lemmy.worldEnglish
          101·
          9 months ago

          Right wing in general is full of the easily deceived and hateful.

          2 main tactics used is to either convince the stupid people you’re on their side helping them with their ideals, or that the things they hate are a threat and you’re the only one who can save them.

          It’s a shame it’s turned into this, and that right wing went so crazy that left wing is now just about not letting them destroy the world.

          • Nudding@lemmy.world
            212·
            9 months ago

            Woah now, the left wing pumped a record amount of oil in 2023, let’s not pretend America as a whole isn’t helping to destroy the world.

    • Sotuanduso@lemm.eeEnglish
      40·
      9 months ago

      They do think abortion is killing babies, just unborn babies. That’s what half the argument comes down to. One side thinks it’s “should it be legal to kill unborn babies?” and the other side thinks it’s “should it be legal to end your pregnancy before it’s a baby?” And it’s hard to find a middle ground because the former thinks they’re babies as soon as they’re conceived and the latter thinks it’s a good way later down the road.

      • Ephera@lemmy.ml
        5·
        9 months ago

        Personally, I just don’t think pregnant women need legal restrictions here. I imagine, ultra-conservatives think that more liberal women just have tons of unprotected sex and gladly risk getting pregnant, because they can just get an abortion.

        But I’ve never seen that actually being a thing. Women will generally use some form of contraception to avoid getting pregnant in the first place. And if they do get pregnant, I have never heard of any woman, who took the decision to get an abortion lightly.

        I believe that no woman will apply a lower moral standard to her unborn baby (or not-yet-baby, whatever) than our moral standards for human life in general.

        Outright prohibiting abortion is not a higher moral standard, because you’ll have many cases where the outcome is worse for everyone involved, e.g. when the baby is already dead, but cannot be removed.

        • dragonflyteaparty@lemmy.world
          51·
          9 months ago

          Women will generally use some form of contraception to avoid getting pregnant in the first place.

          Hence why some people are talking about targeting contraception.

        • jpeps@lemmy.world
          3·
          9 months ago

          This is so worthwhile talking about. I used to struggle with this stuff quite a bit until realising what you’ve said here. The right frequently seems to mischaracterise pro-choice as pro-abortion, and that is completely wrong. No one likes abortion. And yet, it happens. Conservatives should do some introspection on those two facts.

        • Sotuanduso@lemm.eeEnglish
          4·
          9 months ago

          At some point between conception and birth, range inclusive.

          I don’t know. I’m not an expert, and the only experience I had with it was before I can remember.

          • oce 🐆@jlai.lu
            21·
            9 months ago

            I think science cannot answer either, it’s all continuous, so legal limits are rather arbitrary based on what’s socially accepted.

        • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
          24·
          9 months ago

          I agree. Special cases should include a person being pregnant and not wanting to carry the pregnancy to term.

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
          9·
          9 months ago

          I completely disagree with you, but please explain in which cases you feel fetuses deserve rights and in which ones you feel don’t and why only some fetuses deserve rights.

    • Soup@lemmy.world
      29·
      10 months ago

      They constantly talk about how people want to extend abortions into the entire pregnancy like that’s actually a thing. Maybe the first person is doing it on purpose fucking with the fact that any sane person would let an invalid/lethal pregnancy go to save the mother’s life but the goons who listen to that crap don’t check.

    • NABDad@lemmy.worldEnglish
      21·
      10 months ago

      My wife’s born again idiot ex-friend who came to visit her and tell her she’s a baby killer (never had an abortion, but is pro-choice) insisted people are aborting babies at 9 months.

        • dragonflyteaparty@lemmy.world
          5·
          9 months ago

          Yeah, that’s what I told my mom. She tried to tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about. They wouldn’t just deliver the baby and let someone adopt it if the birth parents don’t want it. No, they’ll kill the baby mid-delivery. I hate that it’s my mom, but some people can’t be reasoned with.

          • Transporter Room 3@startrek.website
            4·
            9 months ago

            I started asking for examples of when that happened.

            It’s funny how angry people get when you ask them for proof of their ridiculous claim. Especially when they start insisting they have the proof, they just don’t feel like sharing “because of your attitude” and when it gets to that point I just openly start laughing at them.

            • NABDad@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              9 months ago

              That’s the problem with cultists. They believe everything without proof to the point they believe proof is wrong somehow. Like the only valid beliefs are ones that are taken on faith and run counter to all logic and reason.

              After all, if everything you believe isn’t totally bullshit, how can you claim you have faith?

      • Transporter Room 3@startrek.website
        4·
        9 months ago

        My mother STILL believes that “partial birth abortion” is a thing. Like, at one point she literally believed doctors would use a reflex-testing mallet to smash in a baby’s skull as it was being born. I heard these words come out of her mouth when I was a child.

        Now she just thinks they use a surgical hose to suck the brain out as it’s coming out.

        My mother in law also threatened to not come to the wedding because I made a pro-choice post on social media. It was literally my only post of the year, because I only keep the account for messaging family. She insisted I’m a baby killer. She also thinks someday she and her family will be dragged out in the street and executed for being christian.

  • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
    812·
    10 months ago

    This meme assumes the reader finds babies to be cute and adorable, rather than terrifying little goblins.

    • jak@sopuli.xyz
      76·
      10 months ago

      It’s different for everyone, but I was always put off by kids for all the typical reasons (boring, sticky, annoying, etc.), until I got pregnant.

      I don’t mean that I love my kid so it’s different. I mean that the hormones associated with pregnancy changed all of my priorities. Thank god I had an abortion (I’d have a preteen with an alcoholic father and me for a mother- that’s not fair to a child), but it was much more difficult than I expected it to be.

      With the pregnancy hormones, I definitely would have cried at this ad. Congratulations to them for emotionally manipulating the most emotionally unstable group in the world?

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
      81·
      9 months ago

      It’s intended to fuck with the mom-brain of a pregnant woman. Like putting porn in front of a guy going through No-Nut November. The goal is to hit those animal instincts and cause intense anxiety.

      They’re not trying to influence teenage edgelords.

    • gaifux@lemmy.world
      917·
      9 months ago

      I hate babies. They don’t know shit and they take up too many resources. Nevermind the selfish parents tying up the world’s resources for their next of kin these ppl r pathetic

  • SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world
    761·
    9 months ago

    Now I’m wondering that if you replace these poster with something like “black babies matter” it would trigger replacement theory before it triggers the pro-life reflex.

    • BillyTheSkidMark@lemm.ee
      167·
      9 months ago

      I know it’s a joke, and I’m super excited pro choice… But even knowing they’re dog/elephant their comment still works (other than the “humans” clarifier) as they can make independent thoughts and love their lives.

      • Breve@pawb.social
        27·
        9 months ago

        Every time you need to pay someone who’s pro-life any amount of money, give them a nickle and tell them that if they put it in their bank account it will eventually grow to reach the amount of money you owe them, therefore you’ve just paid them in full. Easy.

  • GilgameshCatBeard@lemmy.ca
    304·
    9 months ago

    If things works the way those idiots actually think they do, I can see how this would be horrifying to them. But things don’t work that way. And because they’re Idiots, they won’t ever know that with enough reason- they can side-step the horrors of their own ignorance.

  • Daft_ish@lemmy.world
    16·
    9 months ago

    Thanos was a true ideologue. He could have targeted half the universes population AND all the people trying to stop him. It would have been a insignificant amount over his intentions. Quickly erased by the exponential increase in population growth he would have started.

      • Jax@sh.itjust.works
        5·
        9 months ago

        Doesn’t that still result in issues? Like it might take longer but the end result would be the same.

        • ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world
          17·
          9 months ago

          I mean the main problem comes from the fact that that’s not what comic Thanos’ reason for killing half the universe is.

          In the comics Thanos wanted to kill half the universe to impress lady death who he was in love with.

          But since a love triangle where Thanos is getting cucked by Deadpool isn’t really fit for movies we got what we got.

          • Rodeo@lemmy.ca
            7·
            9 months ago

            You know there’s something about a villains motive being so small and pathetic that just makes it seem more real. Hardly anybody has any grand ideas about shaping the world, even those with the power to. Most billionaires are literally buying big boats and buildings instead of shaping nations. Destroying things because he can’t handle rejection is just so much more human.

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
      41·
      9 months ago

      One of the more annoying aspects of the story arc. Thanos was originally written as this religious zealot who quite literally wanted nothing more than to bone Death. Everything he did was in service to this dogmatic view that killing was a holy act. So much of his character is just my man being an uncompromising, super-powered sociopath.

      And then the MCU writers come in and try to make him a eugenicist who can’t do math. “Just gonna nix half the universe’s sentient population and then go off and… uh… farm.” Dude, come on. Why on earth did they feel the need to take one of the setting’s explicit unquestionable villains and turn him into Sam Bankman-Fried with magic rocks?

      • Daft_ish@lemmy.world
        9·
        9 months ago

        Disney, probably. They gave us some good things, I guess. Kinda sucks it’s their IP forever now.

        I’m leaning towards being competely over marvel and super hero shit in general. Sad that some might think it’s because I’m old and no fun but really I don’t think the story telling is up to my standards anymore.

        At this point I want depth and execution. Really, my standards may be too high but it’s my time, I guess.

        I just need a story that has something important under the surface. Something to keep me guessing. Then in a master stroke execute every scene with intention, artistry, and style.

        I also tend toward darker themes.

        • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
          4·
          9 months ago

          I also tend toward darker themes.

          The mainstreaming and Disney-fication of “gritty” movies has been absolutely dogshit for the content.

          You can’t make Blade or The Crow anymore. You can barely make The Matrix. You just get a bunch of GrimDark cartoony bullshit.

          • Daft_ish@lemmy.world
            4·
            9 months ago

            I’m dreaming of a Berserk done right. Not that shit they somehow did two seasons of. The Golden Age stuff is really good. I just want post golden age now.

            • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
              2·
              9 months ago

              They do all this build up and the climax of Golden Age really grabs you. Then its just… damn, yeah. More of that high drama / political intrigue / folly of man’s hubris / yearning of the human heart shit. The monster fights are fun, but the real meat of Berserk is that romance and betrayal.