I’ve asked this else where. Don’t get me wrong here, I agree with this and think it’s great. But how are they going to police this? Yes there are the ai bots to check for ai usage. But that only goes so far.
This conversation is not actually a new topic; this is simply the latest edition of “How do we get students to stop cheating?” AI is the latest technique of cheating available to students, but we have actually known the answer for quite a long time. The way you get students to stop cheating is to get them to value their education.
People generally use AI in areas they are ignorant in or to do scut work. Personally, I really enjoy playing the video game Monster Hunter, in which creating armor sets can be very complicated. I once asked ChatGPT to make an armor set and it gave me a pile of garbage. I was only able to recognize it as garbage because of my deep understanding of the game. I have attached great value to learning the deeper mechanics of this hobby and so, I have no desire to offload that labor to a chatbot.
In the USA, education is assigned very little value. School is mostly seen as a way to get a job, not as a way to acquire more knowledge to better yourself. You need to do well in school so you can go to a good college so you can get a well paying job. You should study computer science because it pays a lot. You should become a doctor because it pays a lot. The entirety of education is a means to an end, something you gotta get out of the way to live your life. Education is seen as scut work.
A typical high school student takes an AP exam not because they want to prove they have a higher level mastery of a subject, but because a good score is worth college credits. A college student chooses their major thinking about job opportunities a degree will provide them. We tell children not to study what they love because that is how you become a starving artist.
Our society does not value education. Children are responding appropriately by relegating it to scut work. It’s not that the children of today are uniquely incapable, they are simply the distillation of decades of education devaluation. Ask a football student to do math and they might be hesitant, but ask them to analyze their favorite team’s average field goal success rates and they’ll pull out detailed spreadsheets of percentages at different yard lengths.
If we want students to stop cheating, we have to give them a reason to value their education. While I support a ban on AI usage in the classroom, this is ultimately treating a symptom without addressing the source.
I mean… “Sit in this room with a pen and a piece of paper until your thoughts are on that paper. If we see you pull out your cell phone, we’re taking it away.” is pretty effective.
On an individual level, people mostly just follow the rules on their own. The spectre of some large and unknowable punishment is usually enough to enforce something like this. If 25% of people break the rule because they aren’t afraid… You don’t have to find all of them and punish them. You can just find a couple and punish them harshly, occasionally, decreasing the number of people who aren’t afraid of rhe consequences.
Aside from that, this is implicitly a statement that school admins and teachers aren’t allowed to push LLM usage on students. That’s FAR more enforceable.
Likely shifting curriculums away from homework towards more in-class assignments. Which should have been done decades ago, homework was invented as a punishment.
I’ve asked this else where. Don’t get me wrong here, I agree with this and think it’s great. But how are they going to police this? Yes there are the ai bots to check for ai usage. But that only goes so far.
This conversation is not actually a new topic; this is simply the latest edition of “How do we get students to stop cheating?” AI is the latest technique of cheating available to students, but we have actually known the answer for quite a long time. The way you get students to stop cheating is to get them to value their education.
People generally use AI in areas they are ignorant in or to do scut work. Personally, I really enjoy playing the video game Monster Hunter, in which creating armor sets can be very complicated. I once asked ChatGPT to make an armor set and it gave me a pile of garbage. I was only able to recognize it as garbage because of my deep understanding of the game. I have attached great value to learning the deeper mechanics of this hobby and so, I have no desire to offload that labor to a chatbot.
In the USA, education is assigned very little value. School is mostly seen as a way to get a job, not as a way to acquire more knowledge to better yourself. You need to do well in school so you can go to a good college so you can get a well paying job. You should study computer science because it pays a lot. You should become a doctor because it pays a lot. The entirety of education is a means to an end, something you gotta get out of the way to live your life. Education is seen as scut work.
A typical high school student takes an AP exam not because they want to prove they have a higher level mastery of a subject, but because a good score is worth college credits. A college student chooses their major thinking about job opportunities a degree will provide them. We tell children not to study what they love because that is how you become a starving artist.
Our society does not value education. Children are responding appropriately by relegating it to scut work. It’s not that the children of today are uniquely incapable, they are simply the distillation of decades of education devaluation. Ask a football student to do math and they might be hesitant, but ask them to analyze their favorite team’s average field goal success rates and they’ll pull out detailed spreadsheets of percentages at different yard lengths.
If we want students to stop cheating, we have to give them a reason to value their education. While I support a ban on AI usage in the classroom, this is ultimately treating a symptom without addressing the source.
I mean… “Sit in this room with a pen and a piece of paper until your thoughts are on that paper. If we see you pull out your cell phone, we’re taking it away.” is pretty effective.
I don’t know why kids are allowed to have cell phones anywhere near them when they’re at school.
They should be in a locker by the time school starts, and not seen again until they’re done for the day.
This.
Honestly, a big step is blocking/not enabling it on school computers.
Like, a lot of schools with one-to-one Chromebooks have Gemini or whatever just completely bundled and integrated.
On an individual level, people mostly just follow the rules on their own. The spectre of some large and unknowable punishment is usually enough to enforce something like this. If 25% of people break the rule because they aren’t afraid… You don’t have to find all of them and punish them. You can just find a couple and punish them harshly, occasionally, decreasing the number of people who aren’t afraid of rhe consequences.
Aside from that, this is implicitly a statement that school admins and teachers aren’t allowed to push LLM usage on students. That’s FAR more enforceable.
At the very least, activities within the schools will not be participating in shitting all over the children’s brains. That still means something.
Likely shifting curriculums away from homework towards more in-class assignments. Which should have been done decades ago, homework was invented as a punishment.
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