Yeah that is before they got their state, how bout now? If that’s what it is, why are they still colonising west bank and bombing gaza? This is like arguing for the white guy with a swastika, because they’re 100% not use it as a buddhism/hinduism symbol.
That’s because different types of Zionism define Israel differently. Those right wing maniacs like Netanyahu and Smotrich are Religious and Revisionist Zionists and want the racist ideal of a Greater Israel while other Zionists define the goal of a Jewish state as accomplished when Israel was first founded. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_Zionism
Considering those are the type of zionism that lead the state today, and many people within it believing it, its safe to say none of the other type really exists these day, and even if it were still here, it’s very very few and far between to make any distinction.
Probably because coexistence has failed and the radical left that founded Israel has died and is replaced by radicals due to external pressures. “Allah is great. Death to America. Death to Israel. Cursed be the Jews. Victory Islam” does not bode well for coexistence.
Didn’t start off that way. It was constructed due to persistent attacks on Israeli citizens. It’s a shit idea since it does not provide a pathway forward into a unified Israel/Palestine. But it didn’t manifest out of evil.
Israel’s Gaza policy is shit because it is a bunch of halve assed attempts to reduce violence while creating further systemic reasons for violence. They dug themselves in a hole. And there is no way out. Parts of the world want to see their state burn and parts of their populus suffer. That must not happen from their view. I have no idea on what to do for all pathways suggest genocide may occur. In particular after the horrific actions against the Palestinian people.
If I were Israel (as in, the whole govt of the country) and I wanted to act in good faith to resolve the Gaza situation, here’s what I would do:
Find Palestinians to manage an interim govt (that is friendly to Israel), and recognise+empower them.
Seize parts of Gaza (this part is already done) and transfer control to said govt. Lift the seige on the parts of Gaza that are controlled by the friendly govt (a necessary precursor to repairing their economy and recognising their sovereignty without being in a permanent state of war with them).
With support from the friendly govt, push out the rest of Hamas territory
Spend a bunch of money rebuilding Palestine’s economy and rebuilding relations with them.
Keep doing that a while and then negotiate in good faith, since you’ve clearly demonstrated good faith.
Modern day Israel’s majorities indicate a support for right wing politics with the extreme right being in government and saying the quiet part out loud. Such as that 30some Palestinians must die every day for some forsaken, genocidal reason.
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Yeah that is before they got their state, how bout now? If that’s what it is, why are they still colonising west bank and bombing gaza? This is like arguing for the white guy with a swastika, because they’re 100% not use it as a buddhism/hinduism symbol.
That’s because different types of Zionism define Israel differently. Those right wing maniacs like Netanyahu and Smotrich are Religious and Revisionist Zionists and want the racist ideal of a Greater Israel while other Zionists define the goal of a Jewish state as accomplished when Israel was first founded.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_Zionism
Considering those are the type of zionism that lead the state today, and many people within it believing it, its safe to say none of the other type really exists these day, and even if it were still here, it’s very very few and far between to make any distinction.
Probably because coexistence has failed and the radical left that founded Israel has died and is replaced by radicals due to external pressures. “Allah is great. Death to America. Death to Israel. Cursed be the Jews. Victory Islam” does not bode well for coexistence.
Coexistence is never possible considering they basically hold Palestine in an open air prison for decades.
Didn’t start off that way. It was constructed due to persistent attacks on Israeli citizens. It’s a shit idea since it does not provide a pathway forward into a unified Israel/Palestine. But it didn’t manifest out of evil.
Israel’s Gaza policy is shit because it is a bunch of halve assed attempts to reduce violence while creating further systemic reasons for violence. They dug themselves in a hole. And there is no way out. Parts of the world want to see their state burn and parts of their populus suffer. That must not happen from their view. I have no idea on what to do for all pathways suggest genocide may occur. In particular after the horrific actions against the Palestinian people.
If I were Israel (as in, the whole govt of the country) and I wanted to act in good faith to resolve the Gaza situation, here’s what I would do:
This is annexing Palestine. And installing a government by force. Hamas has sufficient support as to where that would not work in all likelihood.
I think that’s likely to be the best bet as well. Decisive action, even if against the international law, is probably better than the status quo.
“they hate us so much, we have to genocide them!”
holy shit, you actually believe this.
What part is wrong? Israel being founded in part by a bunch of secular leftist? The Jews were enemy of the Nazis for their political opinions in part.
The sarkha does exist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarkha
Modern day Israel’s majorities indicate a support for right wing politics with the extreme right being in government and saying the quiet part out loud. Such as that 30some Palestinians must die every day for some forsaken, genocidal reason.
Noted radical leftist Ben-Gurion
A leninist is usually rather left wing.