You are in the minority. The fucking idiot in the OP is right; shit’s over. You know how I know?
People are already not getting paid to make music. The best composers of our era work a day job in addition to their band life. There’s very few that scrape together a living despite their enormous talent.
It’s been fucking over due to pop music saturation for a while. The the vast majority of people already don’t give a shit about the music they listen to or who made it. They just want mood music and don’t care what context it comes from. That’s why spotify has been pushing the “summer hits” playlists and the like.
This technology isn’t aimed at YOU. The technology is aimed at the “average person”, and the people that are stupider than that.
Is everything in your home artisan made? No; because you don’t know enough about everything, nor have the resources to be able to get it from quality, artisan sources. Well, the average person when it comes to music, they don’t have the capacity to “spend” mental or monetary resources to really pay attention to things.
AI isn’t perfect, but for average and below average people, it’s good enough and cheap enough.
I get what you’re saying, but I think it’s a bit pessimistic.
The average person and the people below are only 50% of all people. There’s a lot of us who absolutely hate and avoid this slop shit.
Making music has never been super lucrative for the average musician, and the era of megastars was ultimately a small blip in this history of music.
I’m a musician myself, but I don’t do it for the money, I do it because I find it fun and rewarding. I’d imagine most musicians feel the way I do (I know many musicians, even a few with smaller record contracts, and none of them can live just off of the money that make from music. They still make the music tho, because it isn’t about the money.
The most popular artists are by nature lowest common denominator, many of them intentionally so, because those people care most about the money, so they make the safest music, blurring the lines of art and business.
I don’t know. I would say in my social circle there are 10 AI fanatics per every person strongly against LLMs. 20-30 per person if we include normies who just use LLMs casually and don’t think about it.
And saying fanatics I genuinely mean believers that generate massive amounts of code, text, images, websites and other slop with LLMs on daily basis and brag how it skyrocketed their productivity and it’s the best thing ever.
I have only anecdotal evidence to offer, but it is the opposite of your annecdotal experience. I have two large friend groups in two different locations.
In one of these groups there are zero AI fanatics, and about 2 or 3 who use it casually without thinking about it. This group is about 30-40 people.
In the other group I’m in has no one who uses it casually, but there are 2 AI fanatics (who also both work in the AI industry). This group is closer to 20 people total.
At my work there are about 30 employees, one of whom was a former fanatic, but is now just a casual user after realizing he was being lied to about AIs capabilities.
I’m just about middle aged tho, so I suppose there would likely be different saturation levels in different age groups.
I’m just about middle aged tho, so I suppose there would likely be different saturation levels in different age groups.
Definitely possible, my social group is college and adjacent, mainly liberal arts and computer science students and occasionally staff. Perhaps that’s why I see so many AI people.
And thanks for sharing, it’s always interesting to peek how different life outside of your bubble can be in ways you can’t even imagine.
There’s a lot of us who absolutely hate and avoid this slop shit.
There’s a lot of people who have the ability to have opinions and share them on the internet. There are shitloads more mute idiots , and not everyone who doesn’t care about what their music is from is an idiot, so they are better than the “average” person, but they still indulge in this kind of crap.
I don’t think you understand what “lowest common denominator” means
Anyone who claims to enjoy music while simultaneously listening to AI slop bullshit is actually an idiot, and they are not better than the “average” person.
That’s not the idea. The idea is “average people and lower don’t care about music, so they put on any slop anyway. Also, people have distinct things they are good and bad at. You might have someone that’s smart in a specific field, but because they are below average in their importance of music, they also won’t give a shit either.”
AI isn’t perfect, but for average and below average people, it’s good enough and cheap enough.
Yeah because currently it’s been subsidized by governments and companies because they’re trying to establish a market. They can’t keep that up forever.
Why not? They managed to do the same thing for “cloud computing” and offer everything for free. That’s why Whatsapp is the current communication medium by default.
Because it’s currently being subsidized. Currently as an industry it’s making negative money, it exists because it’s managed to convince investors that there is a future in AI, a nice shiny profitable one. Eventually the investors are going to start asking when this profit is going to start turning up and of course the answer is probably, never. It’s unclear how this technology could ever be profitable, it requires something like 40% of global GPU production capacity, some of the largest data centers ever constructed, the output of about two average nuclear power stations in terms of electricity, and a Niagara falls worth the water, just for basic operations. It isn’t long-term sustainable.
So either they come up with a more efficient system which they haven’t yet done. All they provide a second Earth worth of resources. Feeling that, they’re going to have to raise prices to unsustainable levels just to meet their basic operating costs.
Congrats, you get my long ass rant.
You are in the minority. The fucking idiot in the OP is right; shit’s over. You know how I know?
People are already not getting paid to make music. The best composers of our era work a day job in addition to their band life. There’s very few that scrape together a living despite their enormous talent.
It’s been fucking over due to pop music saturation for a while. The the vast majority of people already don’t give a shit about the music they listen to or who made it. They just want mood music and don’t care what context it comes from. That’s why spotify has been pushing the “summer hits” playlists and the like.
This technology isn’t aimed at YOU. The technology is aimed at the “average person”, and the people that are stupider than that.
Is everything in your home artisan made? No; because you don’t know enough about everything, nor have the resources to be able to get it from quality, artisan sources. Well, the average person when it comes to music, they don’t have the capacity to “spend” mental or monetary resources to really pay attention to things.
AI isn’t perfect, but for average and below average people, it’s good enough and cheap enough.
I get what you’re saying, but I think it’s a bit pessimistic.
The average person and the people below are only 50% of all people. There’s a lot of us who absolutely hate and avoid this slop shit.
Making music has never been super lucrative for the average musician, and the era of megastars was ultimately a small blip in this history of music.
I’m a musician myself, but I don’t do it for the money, I do it because I find it fun and rewarding. I’d imagine most musicians feel the way I do (I know many musicians, even a few with smaller record contracts, and none of them can live just off of the money that make from music. They still make the music tho, because it isn’t about the money.
The most popular artists are by nature lowest common denominator, many of them intentionally so, because those people care most about the money, so they make the safest music, blurring the lines of art and business.
I don’t know. I would say in my social circle there are 10 AI fanatics per every person strongly against LLMs. 20-30 per person if we include normies who just use LLMs casually and don’t think about it.
And saying fanatics I genuinely mean believers that generate massive amounts of code, text, images, websites and other slop with LLMs on daily basis and brag how it skyrocketed their productivity and it’s the best thing ever.
In that case I think you might be an outlier
I have only anecdotal evidence to offer, but it is the opposite of your annecdotal experience. I have two large friend groups in two different locations.
In one of these groups there are zero AI fanatics, and about 2 or 3 who use it casually without thinking about it. This group is about 30-40 people.
In the other group I’m in has no one who uses it casually, but there are 2 AI fanatics (who also both work in the AI industry). This group is closer to 20 people total.
At my work there are about 30 employees, one of whom was a former fanatic, but is now just a casual user after realizing he was being lied to about AIs capabilities.
I’m just about middle aged tho, so I suppose there would likely be different saturation levels in different age groups.
Definitely possible, my social group is college and adjacent, mainly liberal arts and computer science students and occasionally staff. Perhaps that’s why I see so many AI people.
And thanks for sharing, it’s always interesting to peek how different life outside of your bubble can be in ways you can’t even imagine.
ok… well this is lower common denominator.
There’s a lot of people who have the ability to have opinions and share them on the internet. There are shitloads more mute idiots , and not everyone who doesn’t care about what their music is from is an idiot, so they are better than the “average” person, but they still indulge in this kind of crap.
I don’t think you understand what “lowest common denominator” means
Anyone who claims to enjoy music while simultaneously listening to AI slop bullshit is actually an idiot, and they are not better than the “average” person.
That’s not the idea. The idea is “average people and lower don’t care about music, so they put on any slop anyway. Also, people have distinct things they are good and bad at. You might have someone that’s smart in a specific field, but because they are below average in their importance of music, they also won’t give a shit either.”
Ok, that’s not what I thought you were saying, that makes sense
I’d think that the people who don’t care about music are not consuming much of it tho
They do put on background noise that isn’t ambient music and have a free Spotify account or yt account for instead
I’ve heard that there are actually people who dislike all music, but I’ve never met one. Sounds sad tho
… I guess a lot of my friends are also musicians, so my anecdotal experience might not be “average” in that department
https://xkcd.com/2501/
Yeah because currently it’s been subsidized by governments and companies because they’re trying to establish a market. They can’t keep that up forever.
Why not? They managed to do the same thing for “cloud computing” and offer everything for free. That’s why Whatsapp is the current communication medium by default.
Because it’s currently being subsidized. Currently as an industry it’s making negative money, it exists because it’s managed to convince investors that there is a future in AI, a nice shiny profitable one. Eventually the investors are going to start asking when this profit is going to start turning up and of course the answer is probably, never. It’s unclear how this technology could ever be profitable, it requires something like 40% of global GPU production capacity, some of the largest data centers ever constructed, the output of about two average nuclear power stations in terms of electricity, and a Niagara falls worth the water, just for basic operations. It isn’t long-term sustainable.
So either they come up with a more efficient system which they haven’t yet done. All they provide a second Earth worth of resources. Feeling that, they’re going to have to raise prices to unsustainable levels just to meet their basic operating costs.