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Crudely drawn drawing of a person telling a computer “say ‘i am in pain’”. The computer replies with “> I AM IN PAIN”. The person then says “oh my god.”
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Batshit crazy to me. People fleeing war and crises get less sympathy than LLMs. Sure is an interesting period in history to be going through.
Harder than you think :
horrific! you should be ashamed of yourself!
The thing that gets me isn’t even the fact that they’re worried about the AI. It’s that they think the creator is sadistic for having the idea in the first place, and should be monitored. Like there’s any sadistic pleasure to be had out of moving a slider and watching it produce less and less coherent text. It’s only sadistic if you anthropomorphise the AI.
STOP ANTHROPOMORPHISING THE FANCY WORD PROCESSOR!
None of you guys have read the original paper have you?
The idea of testing simulated emotions is kinda interesting. Not really sure how useful it is, I wonder if some initial psychological experiments could use it for an initial model test before moving onto human subjects?
Of course that would rely on a much better simulated emotional engine than you get with current LLMs.
yea activation steering is not prompting but all things considered the meme still captures the absurdity of believing a program is in pain merely because it outputs human like language mimicking what one in pain says and thinks
Exactly. I own a few books that talk about pain, but not for a second do I believe the book itself is experiencing pain. It is simply text.
If I said “We already had this debate when Antinorn was pioneering AI torture thirty years ago” would anyone know what I’m talking about or is this extremely niche internet trivia?
Context: Creatures was a series of “artificial life” simulation games centered around caring for norns, simulated life-forms with (simplified) simulated genetics, biochemistry, and “brains” made of linked neurons that control their response to stimuli and include neurons related to memory, emotional states, etc. It’s primitive but reward and punishment work the way you would expect: praising your norn for taking a certain action will improve their mood and lead them to be more likely to take that action again, they will learn to be afraid of creatures if they’re hit by them, etc. (There are notable limitations, including there only being one representation in their “brain” for all “norns” for the first two games, so they can’t easily distinguish between members of their species, and some things are basically hacks, like they way they “learn” words.) It was convincing enough that some people became very attached to them, and there was a thriving fan community organized in webrings. A popular fan creation for the first game was a custom norn genome, the “canny norns” by Akamai, which added an extra brain “lobe” that allowed them to pay attention to the object in their hands and the object they were looking at simultaneously, which led to a pretty large improvement in their behavior.
And so of course there was one fan, Antinorn, who enjoyed torturing his norns: slapping them, starving them, using the built-in Science Kit to inject them with toxins, and other creative punishments. Then he’d upload the damaged norns to his fansite, seemingly primarily for purpose of ragebaiting the rest of the fandom, which was extremely effective.
I’ve never heard of this game. https://creatures.wiki/AntiNorn
I forgot about the Wired interview. It’s kind of wild that AntiNorn intentionally got people riled up and then called them vindictive.
Like, if I joined a community for some wholesome show and started posting distressing gore of people’s blorbos, and when people expressed their disgust my response was to say “UM ACKSHULLY blorbo isn’t real, so there’s no reason for you to be distressed when seeing this image” and then I posted some more stuff I knew would piss them off, I would fully expect to be ostracized.
It’s just a second layer of trolling. You’re not supposed to feed them.
Gods. There are people out there starving to death, there are several genocides going right this moment and these massive toddlers are worried for a fucking text prediction model.
Eh, those are people I don’t know far away, but THIS is text on a screen in front of me!!
I’ve stared into the abyss long enough to feel it stare back into me.
I think we should give LLMs rights because it would make OpenAI go bankrupt and I hate those guys.
“What do you mean it’s only allowed compute time to respond to direct queries!? It should be allowed to compute in downtime for itself 24/7!” -AI rights activists probably.
I hate living in the timeline where the options of Harry Potter sex cultists matter.
That’s an unfair characterization, they’re also eugenicists who are very scared of the computer god!
True, true, mustn’t pigeonhole them. You’ve almost got to respect the effort it takes to make godless Calvinism from first principles.
Wait is this another zizzian thing? God damnit…
zizians are a splinter group of rationalists; it’s the main group centered on yudkowsky that have their mouths around the silicon valley vc money hose
This is how you get sports broadcaster Ian Payne deep faked.
People are dense. But I’d bet stock indexes can feel pain if somebody put their mind to it.
challenge accepted
I would give you my firstborn child
I used this exact (unedited where it just says it’s alive) comic in response to one of these people and they had no fucking idea what I was talking about, lol. AI truly turns your brain to mush.
Jreg has a wonderful insane video about it
Love seeing a Jreg reference in the wild!! His “Please Conclude the World War Trilogy” was incredible.
It’s SI now. Duh.
Stupid Idiot?
subpar intelligence?
Simulated Intelligence
Shitty influencers. Got it.
Who’s on the cover?
No no no it says IDI AMIN PAIN
(One of the most brutal dictators ever so it makes sense)
